Sorry-Put in google search then--Genesis Chapter 22-Parallel Hebrew Old Testament.
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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated
by JimmyPage ini've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".
i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.
who did he think he was, making promises for other people?
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Never was popular.
Augustine of Hippo changed Jesus' teaching on "turn the other cheek" as fast as he could when war was on his doorstep--the Vandals at Hippo.
I can agree that if assault becomes personal--I will respond. But do not tell me a cock-and-bull story or feed me a political mish-mash of misinformation and expect me to fight.
Terrorism? we should first fight it by not going into a Muslim country--such as Iraq-- raiding the oil and leaving the common people with less infrastructure than they had before we attacked the bad guys there--bad guys that the U.S. had supported for years.
I am sick of the reactive behavior of U.S. citizens. I am sick of the reactive behavior of other citizens of other countries. It will be a great time when we TALK to people we see in airports and farmers' markets who are different from ourselves ---or we think are different.
They are and they aren't different--we should find better ways.
Well--there.
War is hell.
Edit: Why do soldiers come home with mental health problems--especially NOW? The "Just War" just doesn't resonate sufficient to the horror that they are involved with-- the horrors that they perpetrate as much as any.
There has to be better way.
What do you think,Terry?
re-edit:Oops! You want a Christian perspective? Sorry--I am prolly not orthodox enough to qualify. I don't believe the Bible was really "inspired" by god--He just wasn't breathing hard enough.
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JWs and Exclusivity
by Don Schneider injesus, mark 9-40 (nwt).
the jehovahs witnesses assert exclusivity.
that is, they are the only true christian faith.
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Hello, Don1
A great scripture--one that was never referenced in the 22 years I was a JW.
The (N) NWT bible the JWs use is stuffed with cross-references that are meant to bind us irrevocably to "the Truth". But clearly that was a problem scrpture. So they chose to supply antidotes to this very inclusive verse.
WTS gives Mark 9:40 cross references to a couple of verses that shape-shift the matter of inclusiveness. Both Mt. 12:30 and Lu. 11:23 say this: "He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters." The context has no bearing on the subject that triggered the topic in Mark
This is where the WTS jumps the subject inherent in the original story in Mark 9 which makes clear that the MAN WHO IS NOT WALKING WITH THE "IN" GROUP OF JESUS IS JUST FINE--
So the WTS then makes a cross reference from Lu. 11:23--a verse has no relevance to Mark's point-- to John 11:52. You find yourself dumped in a slag heap that can only mean that you must have arrived at the door of ( Ta-ta!) The Anointed! " and not for the nation only, but in order that the children of God who are scattered about might also be gathered together in one."
The cross-references from John 11 fan out into the epistles. There, once again you can relax again in more verses that encourage universal brotherhood in Jesus--but only after the ever vigilant WTS has navigated you past those treacherous currents of real, genuine inclusiveness.
It is a cult.
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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated
by JimmyPage ini've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".
i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.
who did he think he was, making promises for other people?
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If anyone hasn't seen how spare the clues were in the oldest stories of the bible, have a look at this:
www.hebrewoldtestament.com/BO1CO22.htm
It shows the Paleo-Hebrew script of Genesis 22 along with various english translations. How could we be raked over the coals by anyone who thought they knew what was said/meant here?
As Apog noted above,"Much of every sentence is inferred rather than verbalized.
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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated
by JimmyPage ini've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".
i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.
who did he think he was, making promises for other people?
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humbled
Not only that, Apog, but in the time that the elders were dealing with the matter, I saw a picture of a potsherd from the era during which much of the scriptures purportedly were committed to writing. I took a print in of the crude rendering of words from the time--
OMG! I asked the brothers how could anyone derive a tight theology from so crude a presentation of thought!
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Well, it was your basic KH wedding, now 40 years later
by JeffT inmy wife and i still like each other.
fortieth is "ruby.
" since rubies aren't in the budget, we went to ruby beach for the weekend.
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humbled
what a great thing that is--40 years that you celebrate--together!
Great smiles on the two of you!
Great way to mark the day!
Thanks for sharing it here.
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My Lecturer booby-trapped me - Patterns of Authority in Early Christian Communities
by fulltimestudent ini have a 2500 word essay due next tuesday, so i shall be invoiced until then.
and, i already have been turned upside down.. even though there are set topics for the main essay, it is possible to negotiate for an essay on a subject of personal interest.
i'd been thinking about the development of leadership in the early christian congregation, so i asked my lecturer, if i could write on that.. he asked me for a brief outline of what i was thinking, so i reviewed my early thoughts - that jesus primarily had left no clear instructions (because he was expecting divine intervention and the restoration of the kingdom), but he had trained his disciples in missionary work - which i interpreted to mean that jesus expected his own ministry to continue, to provide the judean people with continued guidance, modelled on what he (jesus) had done.. but as christianity developed (and the expectations of jesus remained unfulfilled) a different model developed and i wanted to explore the model we see developing in the nt (think pauline) and where that model came from and then transformed into the monarchial model with bishops.. .
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Well, FTS,
Did you get your paper in on time? We are hoping you post here the results of your hard work.
wishing you well--
Maeve
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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated
by JimmyPage ini've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".
i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.
who did he think he was, making promises for other people?
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Sorry for writing so incoherently, Crazyguy. This topic always gets me addled-pated.
When I first came on this board I still believed in God--but I had come to believe that it is harder to understand him than the WT Corp would have us believe. In fact, as I tried to reconcile the "Cliff Notes" version in the Book of Bible Stories with the God-of-Love I went down a rabbit hole that made me have to face not just the brothers, my bewildered friends, and the Brooklynn Bible Mafia, but --this was the hardest--myself.
Yes, I did use the story of Jephthah to point out(using the only the reference material available to faithful JWS) that all the arguments against Jephthah killing his daughter were the same reasons that God didn't command the killing of Isaac.
I added another reason to see that God wasn't asking for a killing: The word used by (presumably Abraham) was olah not zebach.
If Jephthah didn't kill his girl ( others too think this didn't happen. Apologetics Press/Jephthah's daughter outlines a non-JW support of this non-blood offering), I asked the elders, "When DID the word olah/burnt offering get a spiritual sensibility. It was nonsense to say that Jephthah was the first to realize ( better than Abraham) what was meant by a burnt offering. I reckoned what really occurred in Genesis 22 was that God presented a new concept us through the story at Genesis 22. The Isaac/ Abraham drama presented a dilemma that had no clear map of faith. There was no adequate word, no adequate definition for the quality of trust/faith (what word?) of that would be described by the dark walk up the mountain.
In fact, as I talked to the brothers, I expressed the idea that we humans--not God-- invent words--and we can only invent them from our own experience and imagination--This dilemma of Abraham was a moment of God trying to break through the blood and gore mindset of faith=death. I submitted that we continued to repeat the story as written in the bible story book then we had failed to see God as a being of light. If we held God to our own bloody ideas even after Jesus tried to persuade us of his generousity then all was lost...
I got handed over to the CO. He hadn't completely read the letter that I had given the elders that outlined my own dilemma of conscience(Which was that I could not stomach the version on God illustrated in pictures and words in our literature of God the SOB and I knew that this put me in a delicate spot as a JW) He wasn't interested in anything but my allegiance to the FaithfullandDiscreetSlave. He asked why I didn't send my query into "Questions from Readers"? I told him that it wasn't a question.
Crazyguy, this may be more than you wanted and yet there was more. nd maybe you really were only saying to me that I was just talking gobble-de-gook and to stop it.
this too is perhaps goofy talk. the parsing of words from Genesis 22 seems ridiculous in the face of my current undertanding of how we humans think, experience, talk---and write of our life experience. And how we fall into a religion instead of our existential reality.
Bible translation is the not even half of the problem. It is nothing.
But I have to say, in honesty, that I am sympathetic with the puzzlement of an old man in the desert searching to understand his purpose in a chaotic world.
Maeve
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And sympathetic to the son of the old man, too.
How much of Isaac's life was his own perception of reality and how was it threaded through the needle of his father's reality? He might have died for his father's fumbling faith. Willing? convinced? I wonder.
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How Much Drinking Is Too Much?
by minimus ini have seen that some say if a man has 3 beers per day or a woman has 2 glasses of wine per day, that they may have .
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Sometimes it is too much drinking when the person you live with tells you it is affecting THEM.
The life of the "designated driver" can get pretty dreary.
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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated
by JimmyPage ini've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".
i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.
who did he think he was, making promises for other people?
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Interesting to find this thread.
Approximately 7 years ago I took My Book of Bible Stories in to a meeting with the elders and used the story of Jepthah's daughter to nulify the idea that God actually requested the slaughter of Isaac as a test of Abraham's faith. I asked how was it that Jepthah knew not to slay his daughter if it had not been previously perceived by Abraham that "burnt offering" was a spiritual all-giving instead of a slash-and-burn.
It was clear to me that if God had commanded the slaughter of Isaac, then he stood as a lying S.O.B. and monster according to all the measures that His Words in scripture laid out.
I said I could not promote the story as told in the storybook--neither to children OR adults.
This demand for humanity and sanity made the kind of trouble ya'll are familiar with. I am no longer a JW. No longer expect the Bible to make sense.