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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

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  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

  -aleman.

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  Aleman

  This is my last comment to you, because I doubt your honesty.......you have refused to answer why you are here despite it going directly against the teachings you receive through the FDS.....

  But finally in response to what you have just replied to Eclipse what you have failed to see is that the Jehovahs Witness organisation wrote many of the things Eclipse stated and time has proven them to be false......

  I have however started a thread for you where posters can briefly link you to other threads which give proof of the many, many reasons we have lost trust in the cult you choose to follow.

  Good things to you
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  Help needed on proof of cover ups, deceit and change of doctrines for Alema

  by fifi40 in

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  aleman is new to the board and is a jw intent on defending them.. despite some arguments given he is looking for proof of anything that discredits jws whether this is change of doctrine, the reliability of the nwt, cover ups of sexual abuse cases and pay outs, blood doctrine issues........by and large anything that we would use to say why we no longer believe and shows the jws of being corrupt, brainwashed, deceitful or just plain not the right religion.. if you have thread links that you can supply for him to read i would greatly appreciate it.. i am not sure if he is yet baptised but he defends their views strongly.. he also feels that the board members here do not have spirtuality so any of you who have religious beliefs still please would you give a few short lines on your thoughts.. all input gratefully received.. fi.

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  Allegiance to hitler

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/133231/1.ashx

  Child abuse cover ups

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/143872/1.ashx

  Lies

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/143030/1.ashx
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  Help needed on proof of cover ups, deceit and change of doctrines for Alema

  by fifi40 in

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  aleman is new to the board and is a jw intent on defending them.. despite some arguments given he is looking for proof of anything that discredits jws whether this is change of doctrine, the reliability of the nwt, cover ups of sexual abuse cases and pay outs, blood doctrine issues........by and large anything that we would use to say why we no longer believe and shows the jws of being corrupt, brainwashed, deceitful or just plain not the right religion.. if you have thread links that you can supply for him to read i would greatly appreciate it.. i am not sure if he is yet baptised but he defends their views strongly.. he also feels that the board members here do not have spirtuality so any of you who have religious beliefs still please would you give a few short lines on your thoughts.. all input gratefully received.. fi.

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  Aleman is new to the board and is a JW intent on defending them.

  Despite some arguments given he is looking for proof of anything that discredits JWs whether this is change of doctrine, the reliability of the NWT, cover ups of sexual abuse cases and pay outs, blood doctrine issues........by and large anything that we would use to say why we no longer believe and shows the JWs of being corrupt, brainwashed, deceitful or just plain not the right religion.

  If you have thread links that you can supply for him to read I would greatly appreciate it.

  I am not sure if he is yet baptised but he defends their views strongly.

  He also feels that the board members here do not have spirtuality so any of you who have religious beliefs still please would you give a few short lines on your thoughts.

  All input gratefully received.

  Fi
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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

  -aleman.

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  Aleman

  False statement........the bible is the oldest book....please provide evidence of this.

  Do you really think that most users of this site have not closely examined and studied the bible and also the many JW publications .

  If you are concerned about spiritual deadness you need to talk to Little Toe (a former JW elder who is still a christain), Mouthy ex JW still religious, Auld Soul religious for example or the more fundy types like Vinny, JCanon or OBVES.......you will see that there are still those who have religious beliefs and that spiritual awareness lives on.....on this board.

  If JWs fight evil they best start doing it in their own congregations first instead of covering up and ignoring the many child abuse cases and wife abuse cases that they ignore..........fact not fiction.

  You missed one word out in your reply to Eclipse .........think.....they think they are morally superior.......and your commenting on this board has proved that time after time.........why are you trying to witness to ex witnesses who have been there and worn the T shirt........there are people on here who have served many years at Bethel, many years as Elders, served as CO's to the more common JW.........what do you think you can possibly tell us we dont already know or havent already heard.

  Do you realise if you are a devout JW you should not be on this site? Why are you here? You are deliberately going against your religions teachings?
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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

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  Aleman

  Possibly you are describing yourself there........you support an organisation that predominantly uses books and magazines written by men......why cant you or other followers just use and understand the bible?
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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

  -aleman.

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  Aleman

  Please read this encyclopedia article especially the bottom half

  http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Jehovah

  regarding the origins of the name and the God.

  or here again about half way down and easier reading

  http://www.karenlyster.com/genesis.html

  regards and happy searching

  Fi
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  Women should

  by John Doe in

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  be silent.

  when they speak, they ought first to have permission from their husband.

  if they are unmarried, then that is even greater reason for them to remain silent.

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  It is okay...........tis the ramblimgs of a truly insecure person..........we require only there sperm to continue life and nowadays we can freeze and store that (although it is not as much fun using a turkey baster).......so in theory we could survive pretty much without them........

  If this should happen I am not sure the girls are going to be convinced to freeze your sperm though John Doe
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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

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  Aleman

  You will have noticed I am sure that this forum is about anything and everything and is not limited to discussions on spirituality.........the common link is the users of this board, who in the main have been in some way associated with the JWs and no longer are or are JWs experiencing doubts.............some have adopted new religions, faiths or spiritual awareness and some do not believe in God at all................whatever there inclination they are a fairly friendly bunch and have a wealth of knowledge and information between them.

  It is good that you have examined many religions......you will find many of varying beliefs on here and those who have knowledge of many religions................the reason that you will not have found many court cases of sexual abuse in the JWs is that historically cases such as these have been presented to elders they have discouraged such cases from being taken any further, have protected many abusers with the 2 witness rule and recently have paid out of court millions of dollars to prevent 16 cases (I believe that is the number) being taken to court. There are many people who use this board who have personal experience of this situation.

  Yes I know Jesus was not born on December 25th and as another posted stated it is commonly thought he was born around October........still it was never stated in the bible not to celebrate Jesus birthday or in fact anyone's birthday.......as far as the pagan aspect goes.......there is some evidence that Jehovah was originally a Storm God worshipped by pagans.......wedding rings have pagan origins and a whole host of other things have pagan origins.

  What I am asking you to do is to check into the JW organisation, there are many threads here that cover the discrepancies of the teachings and beliefs of the JWs and much much more that if you examined with a honest heart would possibly require that you would have to question the reliability of your religion. If you ask an elder he will tell you that some stuff we dont know, wait on Jehovah and do not look at literature or forums such as this, that question what you are being taught. The Truth should stand up to any amount of questioning.

  Regards and all the best in your journey

  Fi
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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

  -aleman.

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  Aleman

  Firstly please provide evidence of where I stated that spiritualty has to be proven...........I actually believe it is something that is individual to each person.

  Fortunately for all of us, there are many or have been many 100's of people on this planet, who did not profess to have a life with spirit or religious belief, who have added to the quality of life we now experience, who have furthered medical knowledge, scientific knowledge and much much more.......their lives or life work could not reasonably be described as a water bottle without a hole.

  I was raised as a JW...........so their is little you can tell me about their beliefs but what I can tell you is that if you really wanted the truth you wouldnt be scared to look......Is the NWT an accurate translation.........the proof shows it is not, but you wont want to believe that because it means your whole premise is misguided. Show me in the bible where GOD, not the governing body, says you cannot celebrate birthdays or christmas.......show me in the bible where it say blood fractions are a matter of conscience.

  What I suggest to you Aleman with all respect is that you either do a very thorough check of the origins of JWs, the origins of of Jehovah God and who and how he was originally worshipped, the every changing beliefs of the JWs and how they have had to change tack time after time, the recent pay outs the organisation has made rather than go to court over sexual abuse cases or stop posting on this board which you know is going against everything your religion TELLS you to do!

  Best regards

  Fi
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  Spirituality

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why care about spiritual things?

  i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.

  -aleman.

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  Aleman..............I am always amazed at people who profess spirituality or a christian belief and then talk or act in a manner which does not seem christian like at all.

  Gopher does not share your view.......so you turn that into I hope you dont find yourself in some extremely horrible situation and know you are going to die..........death is inevitable for us all regardless of faith, religion or spirituality.............the only difference you have being a JW is that you have an alternative hope for something in the future..........a hope that is not proven......a hope that at this point in history has not benn realised by another human being.......and a hope that if you truly examined it you would realise has been given to you by an organisation that is deceitful, manipulative and false..........but you are probably so scared of loosing that hope that you are not honest enough to do a thorough and true search of the organisation you follow.......remember that many of us have shared that very same hope at some point and found its origin to be wanting.

  I wish you well in life and hope that neither you or anyone who uses this board has to face extreme circumstance of horror and stress.