Well put and thanks for the quotes BA, great substance from some very intelligent people who most likely seen the thick of politics.
I guess with this thread it is as Will Rodgers said
"the difference of opinioin makes horse racing and religion'
abr
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Who is more gullible?
by avidbiblereader inwith the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when i read the posts with so many doubting the existence of god and christ's authority.. who is more gullible?.
those that put their faith in christ as i profess or.
voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?.
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Is a rapid graceful exit possible?
by besty inwe will find out soon.
as a brief update my wife sweet pea and i have 'announced' to a few friends and close family - less than 10 altogether - that we are no longer going to meetings.
some friends have probed for details, others don't want to know.
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avidbiblereader
I agree with Restrangled, you may be sick of it but you are not stupid when it comes to their policies, sad to say don't be surprised if they DA you anyway, I wish you the best.
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"Follow the Christ " conventions...is it me?
by Gordy inlooking at the convention invitation,.
does anyone get the feeling this is a ploy by the wt to project themselves as "christian".
the way it is worded gives the image that they are "christ centred".
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avidbiblereader
If they did as their convention said, next year there would be a lot of empty seats at the next convention.
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Who is more gullible?
by avidbiblereader inwith the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when i read the posts with so many doubting the existence of god and christ's authority.. who is more gullible?.
those that put their faith in christ as i profess or.
voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?.
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SirNose
In other words, you're more gullible for putting faith in God than voting for someone based on a false promises
Just because I have a limited ability to understand a particular phrase, does not make me gullible for God, rather it is where I place my trust. Some very simple and basic people that I know do have very strong feelings about their beliefs, but it does not mean that they or I are gullible, it is a matter of free choice. Respectfully, abr
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Who is more gullible?
by avidbiblereader inwith the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when i read the posts with so many doubting the existence of god and christ's authority.. who is more gullible?.
those that put their faith in christ as i profess or.
voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?.
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avidbiblereader
I'm not attacking you nor advocating a particular political commitment;
I respect that and I too respect the fact that others do vote, however my voting is not WT influenced, Christ did not involve himself with this world and this is the stance I take.
just trying to point out why I think the WT stance of "neutrality" (which might still influence you more than you think) is morally inconsistent.
But what about the policies that go in to affect and one may be responsible for, such as war?
Does not ones voting advocate or support the affects of the elected politican policies?
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Who is more gullible?
by avidbiblereader inwith the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when i read the posts with so many doubting the existence of god and christ's authority.. who is more gullible?.
those that put their faith in christ as i profess or.
voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?.
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avidbiblereader
Gopher,
Most people who vote realize that political candidates all make promises that they may not be able to keep if elected. People who vote based on who makes the best promises are gullible, indeed. However, people who vote based on a candidate's history and character are making an informed choice and are not necessarily gullible.
Don't people vote based on your words above, not so much on candidates history, and I do think that this is gullible, most of the candidates havea terrible history, even the present administration has a history even before his reelection, that just makes you wonder what were people thinking.
People who put their faith in an unseen spirit or deity [such as Jesus] are putting their trust in promises from an one(s) whose existence is not factual but an item of faith. Even if such spirits or deities are real, putting trust in some promises made eons ago requires a great amount of faith.
Christ was a fictual person and yes I believe that he is the King that is destined to rule, I believe in a God who created all things, and perhaps this is my faith whether large or small, but I feel that it is secure and a gaurantee to come. Just because I don't understand everything in the Bible or why it happened or when, does not mean that it is not true and all the promises of God will come true.
The promises are further interpreted and preached by spiritual "leaders" who often dupe and cheat the masses.
Couldnt agree with you more on this Gopher BUT
So gullibility is possible in the political arena, and very likely in the spiritual arena.
You lost me on this one, I have a very small brain. abr
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Who is more gullible?
by avidbiblereader inwith the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when i read the posts with so many doubting the existence of god and christ's authority.. who is more gullible?.
those that put their faith in christ as i profess or.
voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?.
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Narkisos
Are you suggesting (as the WT does) that the two options are mutually exclusive? Or, more simply put, that you won't vote?
I apologize for sounding like the WT, I try everything in my power not to sound like them, but no I do not vote, I did not try to make it sound as if people are putting their salvation in a candidate and realize that people want change or else they would not vote period but ironically the phrase you used is one of the reasons I do not vote.
or perhaps just the lesser evil. It is, at most, a practical and ethical issue.
I ask myself why would I want to choose anything evil even if it is the better of the two choices?
I realize this is a personal issue but just wanted to see how others feel about voting not based on religious issue but since so many here seem to have lost faith in what we firmly believed with all our hearts and yet discard what was once rooted in our hearts and minds, and yet seem to throw that away for mere men and false promises and the world sinking ever deeper into a morass of helplessness.
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Are JW's generally better than average people?
by JH ini for one, would blindly trust just about anyone on this forum, just the fact of knowing that you already were a jw.. does this mean that jw's in general are better people or are we a very close bunch of people?.
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I don't think anyone has bragging rights, none of us are better than anyone else.
Romans 3:9-17 9 Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin. 10 As the Scriptures say,
“No one is righteous—
not even one.
11 No one is truly wise;
no one is seeking God.
12 All have turned away;
all have become useless.
No one does good,
not a single one.”
13 “Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave.
Their tongues are filled with lies.”
“Snake venom drips from their lips.” [ e ]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” [ f ]
15 “They rush to commit murder.
16 Destruction and misery always follow them.
17 They don’t know where to find peace.” [ g ]
18 “They have no fear of God at all.If Christ would not accept the title "good" who is anyone to feel superior to another.
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Who is more gullible?
by avidbiblereader inwith the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when i read the posts with so many doubting the existence of god and christ's authority.. who is more gullible?.
those that put their faith in christ as i profess or.
voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?.
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With the election year facing us and so many here that have had their faith ruined by organized religion and when I read the posts with so many doubting the existence of God and Christ's authority.
Who is more gullible?
Those that put their faith in Christ as I profess or
Voting and trusting in men with election or hoping this world gets better?
Just wondering your thoughts
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I'M A GRANDAD!
by Dansk inmy son, karl, and his girlfriend, sarah, have just had a baby boy!
sarah gave birth to jack yesterday - a may day baby .
claire and i are going over to see them all this evening.
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avidbiblereader
Congrats and enjoy, I enjoy being a grandfather more than being a father many times but I think it is because of not having all the responsibility and having some wisdom as I grow older.
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