Did he have anything to do with the Madzay publishing company that made witness-oriented products like bookmarks, day planners, posters, bible/songbook binding, field service bags, etc. ? www.madzay.com
erandir
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anyone writing about Dave Madzay obviously never new him!!!!!!!!!!!!
by donna4174 ini am writing because i am tired of people talking about rumours that they heard about dave madzay,he was the kindest , most intelligent man i ever new, yes he was df but only jehovah can judge him for things he did, no one else.he was an elder very high up in bethel who gave the most wonderful talks, helped many people,brought a lot of people into the truth and yet when he died not one jw attended his funeral.
how sad that a man who was so high up in bethel could be treated like this...........i was brought up in the truth until i was 15 , and turned away because of how dave was treated, even though dave had jehovah in his heart right up until his last breath and did everything he could do to be reinstated but sadly never was.........................i know i knew him
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My wife's take on the Sept OKM Question Box part
by erandir inwell, i asked my wife about the meeting she went to on thursday and how the question box part went.
the good news, for me, is that she agrees with me that the fds is obviously trying to clamp down on independent thinking and is being very contradictory.
she said she had in mind during the meeting the scripture about "where 2 or more are gathered in my name, there i am also" and also the scripture about the boreans.
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erandir
Here's another scripture my wife was keeping in mind during that part on the meeting.
Gal. 1:8 "However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed."
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My wife's take on the Sept OKM Question Box part
by erandir inwell, i asked my wife about the meeting she went to on thursday and how the question box part went.
the good news, for me, is that she agrees with me that the fds is obviously trying to clamp down on independent thinking and is being very contradictory.
she said she had in mind during the meeting the scripture about "where 2 or more are gathered in my name, there i am also" and also the scripture about the boreans.
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erandir
The problem is, the first elder was right. This amounts to a prohibition, and that's how it will go down.
The vast majority will see it as such and just blindly follow along, true. But this won't affect the ones who already have a good habit of examining every uttered expression (paraphrasing a scripture) instilled in them. They will argue that the society didn't say they prohibited anything, and they'll be right. No elder can do anything against such a one. All the elder would have is the weak argument that the society discourages independent study from extra-societal publications.
The wife of an elder in my congregation has a good attitude towards all this. She says that she is not going to trust her relationship with Jehovah to anyone else but herself. She doesn't accept things she hears from the platform or from the publications without first looking things up for herself and reasoning on them. For example, she questions how the FDS can write of the new information in a recent watchtower study that Judas Iscariot definitely won't be resurrected. She calls that speculation on their part and that there is no way they can know that for sure. No one can do a thing against her for that view, either. (Although I bet my "super-elder" is keeping a fixed eye on her.)
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My wife's take on the Sept OKM Question Box part
by erandir inwell, i asked my wife about the meeting she went to on thursday and how the question box part went.
the good news, for me, is that she agrees with me that the fds is obviously trying to clamp down on independent thinking and is being very contradictory.
she said she had in mind during the meeting the scripture about "where 2 or more are gathered in my name, there i am also" and also the scripture about the boreans.
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erandir
Don't be surprised if the company-loyal elder calls the C.O. and tattles on the other.
Naw...they are in the same family. I know these two and the "super-elder" won't do a thing about it. They have too much dirt on each other, for one thing. The thinking brother's parents are well-respected bethelites who have a habit of tempering stupid comments like that of the super-elder. He does the same and no one ever says a thing. In fact, he's well-respected for it by the other elders and PO.
Actually, I don't care to see the kind of "balance" you saw in the thinking elder. They
aren't going to free people from the bondage of the doctrine, so I prefer the ridiculous
ones with blinders on.That's certainly your opinion, your choice. I prefer the ones with balance because if any reform is going to take place in the organization, it's going to start with ones like these. And yes, they are working in their own way to free people from following blindly without thinking. Without his irreverant example and that of others like him, I probably wouldn't have broken away so easily. As for balance (not too conservative, not too liberal) being a good thing for change, I already know of 2 congregations where the majority of brothers in charge have a good balance and aren't all ultra-conservative. I have yet to hear from my friends in one of those congregations as to what they think of this article and how the part was done in their hall.
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What "Unwritten Rules" Did Your Congregation Have?
by minimus ini knew of a hall that allowed only white shirted speakers on the platform for sunday public talks!
when a visiting speaker did not wear the official white shirt he was either told that he couldn't give the talk or he could change shirts,as the hall kept a variety of sizes, just in case of an emergency!!!
i don't make this up.
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erandir
If there were any questions as to what was appropriate, look at the examples in the pictures found in the watchtower and awake.
I wanted to dress up like one of the old testament characters in a study article, beard, robe and all, just to be able to say I'm dressing like the brothers in the pictures.
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What "Unwritten Rules" Did Your Congregation Have?
by minimus ini knew of a hall that allowed only white shirted speakers on the platform for sunday public talks!
when a visiting speaker did not wear the official white shirt he was either told that he couldn't give the talk or he could change shirts,as the hall kept a variety of sizes, just in case of an emergency!!!
i don't make this up.
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erandir
I remember one CO who came up with a ban on spiked hair in our congregation. And the unwritten rule was for any brother with any kind of responsibility at the hall should wear "appropriate" dress and hairstyles. If there were any questions as to what was appropriate, look at the examples in the pictures found in the watchtower and awake.
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The significance of this image...
by Awakened07 inthey say a picture is worth a thousand words.. .
to me, the picture posted below is one of the - if not the - most significant images i've seen so far in my life.
as i was growing up (a jw), i was taught that the universe was in perfect harmony.
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erandir
Very nice...however I have this strange craving for shrimp now.
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My wife's take on the Sept OKM Question Box part
by erandir inwell, i asked my wife about the meeting she went to on thursday and how the question box part went.
the good news, for me, is that she agrees with me that the fds is obviously trying to clamp down on independent thinking and is being very contradictory.
she said she had in mind during the meeting the scripture about "where 2 or more are gathered in my name, there i am also" and also the scripture about the boreans.
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erandir
Well, I asked my wife about the meeting she went to on Thursday and how the Question Box part went. The good news, for me, is that she agrees with me that the FDS is obviously trying to clamp down on independent thinking and is being very contradictory. She said she had in mind during the meeting the scripture about "where 2 or more are gathered in my name, there I am also" and also the scripture about the Boreans.
A "super elder," i.e. company man, made the comment during the part that the Society is "forbidding independent study using anything other than the Society's publications." However, a very well balanced and intelligent brother well-known for his habit of independent research promptly made a follow up comment saying that "No, the Society is merely saying that it cannot endorse independent study not using it's publications. The society isn't forbidding this when in fact they themselves have to do it in order to create the publications." No one disagreed with this, at least openly.
When I heard this from my wife, I was thinking that there is hope for the congregation yet. There are a few who speak their minds and don't swallow everything from the publications and the platform without critically analyzing it.
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Why use the word apostate?
by greendawn inwhy should we define ourselves by what the fds defines us?
our enemies who seek emotional control over us even after we left their destructive cult have invested a lot of effort to demonize us with the word apostate and when we use the term ourselves we do their work for them.
most so called apostates simply thought about things deeply and came up with many questions that the jws instead of answering in a logical manner labelled these inquiring minds as demon inspired apostates doubting the god appointed fds and expelled them from their org.
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erandir
How about "antiwitness"? Kind of like antichrist.
Or antidub, maybe.
Or cultfree.
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erandir
marmot, welcome to the forum! In spite of what the KM question box has to say, you keep up that independent research. You've already seen how they are using this new question box to attempt to shut off the minds of their followers. Thanks for the example of an elder using this information so soon to quelch independent study.