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  An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

  by JT in

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  we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

  why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

  while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

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  You Know,

  Hmmmm!

  I think you blew that one!

  Englishman

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  Old Habits Die Hard

  by COMF in

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  keep in mind, now, i haven't been out in field service since sometime in early 1987.. this morning i headed off out the door and down the stairs, cheerful and ready to tackle the day.

  got to my ride, and realized i had forgotten to pick up the case that contains my laptop and paperwork.

  so, back up the stairs, in the door.

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  We just called it our "magazine bag".

  I did once earn some money going door to door selling cleaning materials, for which I toted around a similar bag.

  More than once I knocked at the door and said: "Good morning. I'm just making a brief call on you and your neighbours in the area, introducing people of good will to our 2 latest er, er, cans of spray polish umm for a small contribution of umm burble burble etc.

  Englishman.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

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  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  This is worth reading.

  A very public death: http://www.thetimes.co.uk

  Englishman.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

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  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  Amazing,

  I'm 54. When I was younger I supported the death penalty, but only because I hadn't really thought it through. Most people who are anti-CP have thought about it much harder than the pro-CP's, because it is an instinctive gut reaction to want to punish criminals who make life a misery for many people.

  McVeighs death has caused a furore in Europe, poor old George W is in for a hot ride during his visit. Radical anti-CP movements will focus strongly on this execution and milk the publicity.

  How ironic it would be if the death of one of America's vilest criminals actually became the catalyst for the eventual cassation of CP in the USA!

  Englishman.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  Now then, Seeker,

  Dont forget that WW2 started in 1939, not 1941.

  Also remember that the only time the US was attacked was at Pearl Harbour, and the movie lasted longer than the real thing!

  Plus, this "we're the heroes saving your butts" is garbage, you ain't and you didn't, you've been watching too many war films made in Hollywood.

  And yes, we are free to comment on the USA and say exactly what we like, thats why we are so free.

  I still love Americans, OK so they're god-awful polluters and the justice system belongs in the middle ages, but the people are great.

  Don't be so sensitive Mr Seeker, I'm entitled to my opinion too.

  Englishman.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  Lots of us have had something to say about this, here's whats being said in Europe according to www.cnn.com
  
  
  LONDON, England -- Europeans condemned the U.S. execution of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh as barbaric and blood-thirsty.

  The criticism came on the eve of U.S. President George W. Bush's first official visit to the continent.

  The president of the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly condemned Monday's execution as "sad, pathetic and wrong."

  Lord Russel-Johnston said the execution gave McVeigh the notoriety he sought and called on the United States to reconsider the use of the death penalty.

  "Timothy McVeigh was a cold-blooded murderer. He will not be missed. But the way he died was sad, pathetic and wrong," said Russel-Johnston in a statement.

  • Europeans condemn execution:

  "It demonstrated the futility of capital punishment to act as a deterrent, giving him the notoriety he sought in committing this horrendous crime.

  "It is high time the United States rethought its attitude to the death penalty and aligned its position with the great majority of the free and democratic world."

  The London-based human rights group Amnesty International said the execution was a triumph of vengeance over justice.

  In Italy, where Pope John Paul II had joined with human rights groups in appealing in vain for Bush to spare McVeigh's life, there were protests outside the U.S. embassy.

  A Paris-based group opposed to the death penalty described McVeigh's execution as "useless and ridiculous."

  The execution was also heavily criticised in Spain, Germany and Portugal.

  In a statement, Amnesty said the execution was a failure of human rights leadership in the highest levels of government in the U.S.

  "By executing the first federal death row prisoner in nearly four decades, the U.S. has allowed vengeance to triumph over justice and distanced itself yet further from the aspirations of the international community," the statement said.

  McVeigh was killed by lethal injection for the deaths of 168 people when he bombed a government office building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

  Amnesty said many of the 152 state executions that occurred during Bush's governorship of Texas were in breach of international standards, such that some European media have dubbed him a "serial executioner."

  "By refusing to step in and impose a moratorium on federal executions, he has further damaged his country's reputation," the Amnesty statement said.

  The head of a France-based group fighting the death penalty around the world called the execution "useless and ridiculous" and predicted it would spur debate about ending capital punishment in the U.S.

  "I don't think the execution of Timothy McVeigh will change the problems of America," said Michel Taube, president of Together Against the Death Penalty.

  "The question was: does the execution avoid a new Timothy McVeigh .... Unfortunately, the answer is no," Taube told the Associated Press.

  Taube's group is organising the first worldwide congress against the death penalty June 21-23 in Strasbourg, expected to feature a call for a moratorium on capital punishment to be made from the chambers of the European Parliament.

  For Taube, McVeigh's execution shows that the death penalty "is absurd and useless and ridiculous ...."

  "When a man kills, and especially when he kills 170 people, there is no equivalent. It serves no one for the state and the criminal to outbid each other over death."

  Sentiment against the death penalty is strong in France, which abolished capital punishment in 1981.

  The last person executed in the European Union was killed by guillotine in France in 1977.

  The McVeigh case presented an opportunity for the U.S. government to cease their support of a policy "that allows the murderer to set society's moral tone by imitating what it seeks to condemn," said Amnesty.

  "Instead, the U.S. government has put its official stamp of approval on this policy; killing, it says, is an appropriate response to killing."

  Pepe Mejia, spokesman for a Spanish group planning protests against Bush's stop in Madrid, told Reuters: "This (the death penalty) doesn't solve anything. The politics aren't based on justice."

  In Berlin, the German government released a statement saying it "remains opposed to the death penalty, including as far as the execution of Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh is concerned."

  But it added: "This does not imply any kind of sympathy with the perpetrators of this awful crime."

  Antonio Maria Pereira, president of the Portuguese human rights group Law and Justice said: "The death penalty is a barbarism inappropriate to our times."

  America's use of capital punishment puts it ethically at odds with its European allies, who have all banned it.

  Many Europeans are puzzled that a nation parading itself as a model of democracy and human rights continues to carry out death sentences.

  "The death penalty is a barbarism inappropriate to our times," Antonio Maria Pereira, president of the Portuguese human rights group Law and Justice, told Reuters.

  Sergio D'Elia, secretary of a protest group that demonstrated outside the U.S. embassy in Rome, said: "McVeigh committed a horrible crime. What he did or why he did it is not being discussed -- what is being discussed is the death sentence."

  "Bush has built his race to the White House on a road paved with those have been put to death," she added.

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  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  Dont try this At home, Folks!

  by Englishman in

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  a very close acupuncturist friend of mine told me that there is an instant cure for anyone who catches that nasy summer fungal infection known as "athletes foot".. basically, when you take your shower, you pee on your infected feet and the cure is almost instant.. i, however, now intend to get some antiseptic cream from the chemist, just as soon as i have finished screaming.. englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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  Begone Yadirf you varlet!

  Methinks that the fair maid Venice is being leaned on by a goaty old Texan in his 60's. He doth lust after her pointy bits most exceedingly for such an old codger.

  What sayest thou, fair maid, wilt thou cleave unto thy bosom this randy old stoat that insults my diction? Or will you tell him you will be his only when he starts being an active dub once more?

  HOHOHOHO

  Les Anglais.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  Dont try this At home, Folks!

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
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  a very close acupuncturist friend of mine told me that there is an instant cure for anyone who catches that nasy summer fungal infection known as "athletes foot".. basically, when you take your shower, you pee on your infected feet and the cure is almost instant.. i, however, now intend to get some antiseptic cream from the chemist, just as soon as i have finished screaming.. englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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  Englishman

  A very close acupuncturist friend of mine told me that there is an instant cure for anyone who catches that nasy summer fungal infection known as "athletes foot".

  Basically, when you take your shower, you pee on your infected feet and the cure is almost instant.

  I, however, now intend to get some antiseptic cream from the chemist, just as soon as I have finished screaming.

  Englishman.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  Is this Completely Apostate

  by redline in

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  i just happened on this place a few days ago, and thought i would stop in to see what it was all about.

  it claims to be a jehovah's witness forum, which it is not.. dont want to come here and point fingers, as i am sure there are some good people in here, just seems the bad have followed the good.

  i guess in reality thats always the case, but hey, what else would these people do if they couldn't wage their little war on the truth.

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  Redline,

  I stopped being a JW in 1972 because of 2 reasons:

  1) I ceased to believe that the WTBTS was part of Gods earthly organisation. I was proved right when nothing happened in 1975. End of story, JW's don't have the truth!

  2) I didn't like being a JW, the meetings bored me senseless, the door to door work was a real drag. As those are the main occupations of JW's it was a miracle (Ha Ha!) that I stayed in for 18 years. Plus, I couldn't abide having to be nice to people, some of whom I detested. I find more bon-homie in my local pub than in a Kingdom Hall.

  Englishman.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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  McVeigh vs Death Penalty

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

  i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

  and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

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  BBC Radio 2 today held a moderated radio phone in concerning the USA's stance on the death penalty.

  Of particular interest was the UK Daily Mail reporter who, having witnessed 2 executions already, said that lethal injection was just like watching a hospital procedure, the electric chair gave a far greater sense of drama and was much more satisfactory to the onlookers.

  Many people wanted to know how the US could be so outraged at the Oklahoma bombing when President Clinton offered hospitality to known IRA bombers during his presidency, and greatly offended English people by so doing.

  Others said that executions should be televised so that the enormity of the punishment was brought home to be an effective deterrent.

  ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.