Posts by thebiggestlie

I finally broke the news to my friends at the hall that i've been seeing a "wordly' girl. We have been together for over a year but i only recently within the last several months broke the news to my family with much opposition. She is the one. We gotta play things a bit safer i can now see. I would die for her and hate to see her in pain.

This news came with some suprising responces from a couple of JW friends of mine. While they still believe its the "truth" i received support from them in a offhanded kinda way. I won't go into detail right now but it seems some of my friends are pretty free thinkers and i never saw it in them before. There one step away from being where i stand.

Just a little history about myself, i'm still in for family reasons and working on getting on my two feet so me and my girl can start our life together and i can slowly fade. That's the plan anyways. I'm currently still living with the folks. I'm 19 so yes i know i'm a young'un. My age makes the pregnancy/miscarriage situation even more daunting. I've seen couples who have had kids so early who have been quite successful but we aren't ready. She's got college and I'm currently unemployed in a dismal job market.

Regardless of difficulties i stand behind her with all my heart and soul adn she stands behind me. I will be with her through thick and thin. We have a life ahead of us together. I cherish her so much. She has been supportive to me through family problems, my troubling escapades within the jehovahs witness organization, she has always been behind me even when things have seemed scarey adn unsure. I love her.

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Some hard to take news...

by thebiggestlie in

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my girlfriend was having a rough time.

she's been vomitting every morning.

her tummy has been aching and she's been feeling off.

thebiggestlie

My girlfriend was having a rough time. She's been vomitting every morning. Her tummy has been aching and she's been feeling off

So she went to the doctor

Turns out she was pregnant but lost the baby

Hard to really interpret this news. We are not prepared to start a family but i know how traumatic this is for her. It's shaken us up a bit. She's on the pill too so we don't know how it happened. BUt it's just a lot to take in

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KM 2009 - misrepresentation on blood transfusions

by truthseeker in

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in the feb 2009 km there is a 10 minute part entitled "answering questions about blood transfusions".

notice the part i've highlighted in red.

exacty what transfusions do jws allow their children to have?

thebiggestlie

i too have felt disgusted by the anti-firefighting attitude that some witnesses have. Somehow its not putting enough faith in jehovah to be a firefighter. It's akin to deliberately putting your life in harms way and thus not showing appreciation to Jehovahs gift of life. Your right saving oneself is apparently better than putting oneself in harms way to save others.

again off topic but i never got why bungee jumping and skydiving were so sinful in the witness community I'm suprised witnesses are allowed to fly. Maybe the recent events in the hudson river will cause the old GB to reconsider this stance.

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An experiment in prayer

by Iwonder17 in

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so i was just reading another post about prayer and i wanted to see what everyone thought about this.. i am a parent and as most parents i would do anything for my kids.

whenever studying the jw books and it would talk about jehovah, i could always liken it to me and how i would treat my kids ( or at least try to treat them ) a few years ago when i really started to have doubts i asked jehovah to give me a sign that i am on the right course and if so then i would stick to it for life and never question it again.

here is what i did.. the scripture in judges 6:36-40 about gideon asking god to make the fleece wet and the ground dry and then the following night he asked for the ground to be wet and the fleece dry.. well i figured that god would want me to know the answer to my prayer.

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Musky i must admit i share your feelings that it would be nice to live in a world with no more pain or sickness or suffering . I would love to see my dead loved ones and friends again, letting go isn't always the easiest thing for us to do. I would do almost anything to see my Grandmother again. However i can't personally let these desires to cloud my rationale thought and to make me cling to a set of concepts that i can now see are unlikely at best. Perhaps ignorance is bliss but i would rather know the truth and face whatever concesquences that truth brings even if its not as comforting as the alternative. I don't want to be just another captives of a concept. I also think that pain and sufferring aren't always the evils we think they are. We learn and grow and develop based upon our past experiences. Failure breeds eventaul success. Sufferring makes us stronger to deal with things in the future. We learn from our mistakes and death is a universal consistancy. Like i mentioned before evertything from plants, to animals, to stars, and inevitably the universe has a finite life cycle. Eventually all die. Even our universe will die out long long long after the sun has burnt out and this little planet is no more.

Ahhh but the universal question. If there is no god...then whats the point? No one can answer that question for you. You must find the answer to that question.

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The Bible - truth or fiction - according to you?

by Newborn in

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if you say fiction, how to explain all the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies?.

personally, i don't know what i think.... /newborn.

thebiggestlie

i also am in the "mostly fiction camp"

Some of it is historical records of the jewish people interlaced with there mythology . The Jews assigned mythological significance to victories in battle, natural disastors adn other such events just as the ancient greeks and romans did.

Some of it is pure poetic fluff. Many of the proverbs are indeed "true" in the sense that there moral sentiments can be beneficial to live by. But that doesn't make the rest of the books floppy pages any more "true"

Some of it is hallucinagenic automatic writing.Take revelation for example . The writer of that book (presumably john) merely borrowed concepts from Daniel and the other "prophets" and updated them for his day incorporating sketchy, fairytalish, and highly interpretable imagery tha virtually any one could apply to any future events. Whether it be the fall of Jerusalem, The fall of the Catholic church, or gods "wholesale destruction of false religion" there have been thousands of "plausable" interpretations of its words. When i was younger i used to go to the bookstore and read books such as "revelation for dummies" and similar such books and always found it confusing how there could be so many interpretations . I always thought that only Jehovahs witnesses have even come close to being able to explain the book...as i was told. However it seems hundreds of nuts have come up with there own ddetailed verse by verse ideas of what they think it means . Just like any other prophecy in the bible, the original prophecy is more like a an arrow that has been shot into a tree and the interpreter merely paints the bullseye around the arrow as he sees fit.

I always found it quite counter productive that the society taught that prophecies could only be truely understood after the event has occurred. Kinda defeats the point of prophecy in the first place doesnt it?

Tell you what, this is what i did....make a list of some of the fufilled prophecies in the bible and go online and research the hell out of it. I reccomend going to a number of different sources. Encyclopedias, both christian and Atheist Apologest websites, biblical commentaries utilize any resource you see fit. And you'll find that the prophecies "truth" isn't always as cut and dry as the society seems to paint.

Newborn, have you researched 607 BCE yet? Thats a fun starting point to deconstructing Watchtower chronology and "prophecy"

tbl (as always sorry for the typos...i gots the butter fingas!)

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Cheeses has returned to address the flock.

by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

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yes, it has been awhile - almost four years to be exact, but the lard cheeses, the prints of piece has returned to the forum.

a changed person?

to some degree.. my irreverence has refined, my sense of anti-religion has strengthened, and my being irreligious has become more profound.. although i have been a regular visitor to the forum since my last posting, for some reason or another i was unable to log on, and i was unsure as to whether i had been deleted, removed due to inactivity, or maybe i wasn't entering my password correctly.

thebiggestlie

Cheeses Bo-beezus batman!

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Your beloved political party

by IP_SEC in

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why don't you see that political parties are pure ideology?

that they are intended to separate us?

republicans vs democrats.

thebiggestlie

there are more than 2 tribes in the US however the other tribes are just not as vocal

I dont like to be told how i should believe or where my political compass should point thats why i can't stand for a single political party. however my own personal covictions are more liberal than conservative on some but not all issues. Damn politics!

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Your beloved political party

by IP_SEC in

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why don't you see that political parties are pure ideology?

that they are intended to separate us?

republicans vs democrats.

thebiggestlie

damn i wish you folks attended my congregation

purps all i can say is...word!

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An experiment in prayer

by Iwonder17 in

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so i was just reading another post about prayer and i wanted to see what everyone thought about this.. i am a parent and as most parents i would do anything for my kids.

whenever studying the jw books and it would talk about jehovah, i could always liken it to me and how i would treat my kids ( or at least try to treat them ) a few years ago when i really started to have doubts i asked jehovah to give me a sign that i am on the right course and if so then i would stick to it for life and never question it again.

here is what i did.. the scripture in judges 6:36-40 about gideon asking god to make the fleece wet and the ground dry and then the following night he asked for the ground to be wet and the fleece dry.. well i figured that god would want me to know the answer to my prayer.

thebiggestlie

what you just describe is the familliar "mindfuck" that i know and have experienced myself and still face from time to time. I too prayed that god would give me a sign. I have kicked myself for being so faithless and have felt guilty as my firends and familiy seem so convinced whereas i alwayhs struggled to have any faith at all.

"i want so badly for there to be a God and a paradise in heavon or on earth"

Why? the life we have can be so wonderful and beautiful as it is? If there is no paradise nor heaven nor afterlife then what? In all reality these places are just ways for people to cope with mortality. Animals and plants and all other life grow old, get sick and eventually die but only us humans are uncomfortable with the finality of this idea. We want there to be something more and we waste our lives preparing for it, When the witness say they have a spirtitual paridise i think its true for SOME indviduals. My mother for example finds quite a bit of comfort from her belief she is in the "truth" and on the right path. "the new system of things" keeps her going onward and motivates her to get out of bed in the morning. I think a lot of witness and christians and muslims and other relgions minded folks use the concept of the hereafter as a coping mechanism. But there is so much to life for. "eat, drink, be merry for tomorrow we shall die" maybe they had a point there....or perhaps there is some sort of existence outside of this life. i dont think so but i dont discount the possibiliy. But i also don't let unvarifiable concepts that i dont have faith in control my life....

Life is beautiful. Look at little children playing, go to the beach or get lost in the woods. One must not look to superstition for meaning but find meaning in the natural world around us and make meaning in our own lives through our interactions with others, our creations and accomplishments and our own personal sentiments and attachments and loves and desires.

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