I'd say the ancestry of Matthew destroys the bible.... 3 * 13 generations? (Adam -> Abraham -> David -> Jesus). Very nice "coincidence", 13 generations each, and the last jump is like 1000 years, very very unlikely; that results in too high average age for all those mothers. There are more problems.
Posts by nelim
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13The book of Ruth... destroys the bible
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlets pretend two things:.
1. god (yhwh) exists.
2. the bible is his word.. now we follow genesis to judges ok... judges resets at chaper 17-21 but for the purposes od this posts lets ignore that.... ruth we are told lives in the time of the judges... ok no problem/ until the end.
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My Bethel Experience Part 9
by new boy inthe worst thing, someone could call you at bethel, was a "jack.
" as in "that guy is a real jack, he doesn't work at all".
the other term not used very much anymore, was "pot licker" used basically the same way.
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nelim
Would it happen that if someone had a grudge against another, they would slip some porn magazines or so into their rooms? Or am I thinking too evil here?
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Elder continues serving as elder after his daughter got disfellowshipped!
by hardtobeme inthis is what is happening in a spanish congregation in our area.
this happened 3 weeks ago.
this brother conducted the school and after the school was over, another elder gave the announcement: "( name of the person) is not longer a jehovah's witness".
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nelim
Why would you want him to be dropped? For this reason? The daughter has her own life and choices, and the father might be serving the congregation well. Why care so much about it? Shouldn't there much more fuss about this daughter's life possibly being ruined? Depending on how many friends she has outside JW, her life could be very hard for quite a while. And in terrible circumstances, even 6 months seems like an eternity! -
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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?
by slimboyfat inrecent developments make me think they might be.
the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.
one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.
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nelim
It just seems to me that gentle decline will be hard for JWs to pull off.
Why? I'm not so sure they are so dependent on prosperous growth. Growth has been declining for years, and even JWs realize that in developed countries (outside USA perhaps), "native" JW has already been declining for many years. Most of the new people are refugees and children only.
As happened with the Worldwide Church of God. Their crisis was also prompted by money problems.
The article you link to says that after the death of Armstrong, the church changed their doctrines and that was the cause of the splintering. So not per se any money problems (as far as I read the article).
It's well possible to put a spin on the slow decline too. "In the times of the end, Satan will try to lure people away from the truth." etc... "Be steadfast!" Gult tripping and fear mongering continues to work.
Besides, a lot of JWs will need serious help and feel lost if the organization would really implode. Who hasn't heard of the "where should I go?" argument (in case JW isn't the truth).
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An other perception of JW Broadcasting
by Gorbatchov in"the governing body thanks you so much for the 16 percent increase of donations in june and july.
you know, the israelites had one project, we have thousands!
so, these are not a two month project!.
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Lurkers: A truth is either true, or it isn't. There is no in between.
by cappytan intruth is absolute.
there is no such thing as 2=1 or 1=2.. if one starts out with the equation 2=1, one has already failed.. truth = truth.
you cannot change whether something is truth or not.. when the organization teaches one thing as a truth (ex.
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nelim
Indeed. JWs regularly use the term "being in the truth". To the lurkers: think about this for a while, don't you agree it sounds silly? Yet this phrase is so engrained in the mind it's hard to get rid of. Takes a long time. The word "truth" is so emotionally overloaded... Actually within context of the organisation it doesn't really have any meaning. It just means you agree with and follow the Watchtower's lead. -
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A Linguistic Argument for the Existence of God
by konceptual99 inhttp://www.etsjets.org/files/jets-pdfs/58/58-4/jets_58-4_771-86_baumgardner&lyon.pdf.
my favourite "logical" progression.... we demonstrated that because meaning is non-material, linguistic expressions likewise must be non-material.
we further showed that there is no indication that matter can generate non-material meaning-bearing linguistic expressions.
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nelim
There is also a sort-of contradiction in this text. This:
We further showed that there is no indication that matter can generate non-material meaning-bearing linguistic expressions. Why should we expect that even to be possible, given that matter and meaning are in separate ontological realms?
and this:
It seems indisputable that the source of our thoughts and other language expressions is our mind.
Creating a fake paradox, and then the conclusion sounds to me like: "it seems like I have contradicted myself here, so therefore DNA origin must be God." LOL
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Elders, oh my God what a bunch of losers!
by Crazyguy inok i don't mean to put all of them into just one box so to speak, their are some that are smart successful etc.
but my god most of them are just wasted space, ignorant, no drive, horrible jobs, make nothing for income and the only thing in life they have going for them is this title.
no wonder so many will not wake up and hold on to this stupid cult, it's all they have.
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nelim
I also don't agree with elders having horrible jobs or "no drive". But I do feel the sentiment that most elders don't have a "drive" to really care for the people. Those are only a few. And even then the rules, the organization will always come first. What good is an elder crying with the family when someone has been DF'ed anyway? What good is compassion then? Are you then "doing the right thing"? No. Participating in evil is always bad, there is no excuse for it. But ex-elders who dropped the job and recognize the evil now don't have to feel bad about it either anymore now. What's done is done. -
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Revisions to the Faithful & Discreet Slave.
by Ben131895 inhttp://avoidjw.org/2015/12/revisions-faithful-discreet-slave/
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nelim
Thanks for the references, good work, very useful. I have a comment though. The June 2009 article says the GB represents the slave. That's not quite the same as the slave being the GB. The 2013 watchtower was more explicit about that, that was really a change. The 2009 watchtower said:
As a class, “the faithful and discreet slave” is one body, but as individuals, they have various work assignments.
Which suggests that somehow the GB and the remaining 144.000 function as "one body", but as the GB never consults the rest; the GB effectively is the slave alone. Splitting hairs here though. Confusing as hell, as always ;)
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Anthony Morris Says The Governing Body Is Not Dogmatic, But Simply Must Be Obeyed If You Want Jehovah's Blessing
by Brokeback Watchtower inwarning lots of compartmentalization going on, with huge leaps in logic and a whole lot of just beleive me because i say so.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhyfm-zikbq.
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nelim
Is this from Bethel morning worship?
I find most interesting why do they feel the need to even talk about this subject? It's a minefield for them. Either they are that stupid, or they feel the need to defend themselves, or ... I don't know, I am quite confused actually. He also doesn't sound very convincing, almost mumbling as if he realizes it doesn't make sense what he is saying but also afraid to face the facts so must believe it.