Posts by boyzone

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Last Night's Intervention

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

boyzone

Debator

" I have not commanded him" clearly refering back to verse 18 where God is speaking directly to him.

You're missing the point. I haven't taken the scripture out of context. Verse 20 is asking a question on how to identify a false prophet and Jehovah gives the answer. The Society fit the criteria in every detail.

The Governing Body CLAIM to speak for Jehovah. Thats what they do. They claim that God Spirit-directs their words and actions so that Jehovah "speaks" directly through them - and only them.

You know this is true, and I can bring up many Watchtower quotes that prove this is what is said. Why are you making this more difficult that it needs to be?

I guess I know why - it show up your personal need for the Watchtower to be right. Have you got much invested in this religion? Family? Years of service? Friends? Status?

All this is in jeopardy if you dare to admit the Society are a false prophet Organization. The cost can be high can't it?

Well, sorry dear brother but the Society IS a false prophet Organization by their own definition and by the bible's definition, and no amount of wishful thinking on your part will change that.

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Last Night's Intervention

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

boyzone

Debtor

Where's the rest of Deut 18? Quote the whole scripture - not just the part you like.

How about the part where Jehovah shows us how to recognise a false prophet.

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’

You see? It simply says that if a prophet CLAIMS to speak for Jehovah and the words don't come true, he's a false prophet.

By the bible's own definition the WT Society CLAIM to speak exclusively for Jehovah and their words HAVEN'T come true - they are false prophets.

Its not rocket science.

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Last Night's Intervention

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

boyzone

Debtor

Deut 18 makes no distinction between making an original prophesy or interpreting one already existing. Its just says if you claim to speak for God and your message doesn't come true - you're a false prophet.

Do the Watchtower claim to speak for God? Yes. They claims to speak exclusively for God, claims to be Spirit-directed by Him. They offer those "predictions" up as New Light from Jehovah many millions of times over, on a worldwide stage and then bring into question a brother's faithfulness and spirituality if he dares to voice doubts in the latest understanding with a possible outcome of being disfellowshipped and shunned.

Your clear desire to twist the Deut scripture tells everyone here that you are still captive to that basic concept that the WT Society is God's Organization, a concept that MUST be defended by you at all costs. You see - we know how and why you think as you do - we've all been there.

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Last Night's Intervention

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

boyzone

wasblind

What year was that Sept 15th WT?

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Bitterness

by LostGeneration in

jw
friends

how do you overcome this?

i just got done reading isocf and toward the end ray warns against bitterness.

i guess i just can't agree with that.

boyzone

I don't think you are bitter, I think you're angry - and rightly so!. Allow yourself to be angry as its fully justified. They DESERVE your anger!!! But the anger will pass and then you'll be able to move on.

hugs BZ

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SPAIN WINS THE WORLD CUP!!!!!!!

by BurnTheShips in

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friends

y viva espana!!!!!!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ia-bdjc1nm.

bts.

boyzone

Yay for Spain the best team won! Holland played a dirty game and deserved their bookings, I'm surprised more of their players werent sent off. De Jong's tackle was just plain BAD.

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MP3s !!! 2010-2011 DC TALKS

by yknot in

commentary on mp3s: (in addition to circulate as you see fit!).

in light of the wts's recent attempts to conceal it's talks from broader inspection and documentation, mp3s to the public are now mostly the works of the 'conscious class' and those exjws who force themselves to endure hours upon hours of control-laced presentations.

kudos to all those who embody anonymous.

boyzone

Thank you SOO much Ynot! My parents only attended the Saturday sessions because of age but having listened to the "family" talk I feel quite sick that they sat there being told to "not look for excuses" to speak with me.

Makes me wanna vomit

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Re-reading "Crisis of Conscience" again....

by ziddina in

the 'revelations' hit me even harder, the second time around..... i purchased two copies, the version copyrighted 1983 and the version copyrighted 2004. i kept the old version [1983] and just donated the 2004 copy to my local library - with a quick warning that 'cult' members may be inclined to steal the expose.

i decided to read it again to try to visualize how a "worldly" person who is unacquainted with the jws would view the book.... in reading the book again, i am more forcefully struck by the blatant contradictions between the 'official' stance of the watchtower society and their 'behind-the-scenes' behavior.... chapters 3 & 4 - "governing body" and "internal upheaval and restructure" - contain some eye-popping material... the earlier portion of chapter 3 touches on the intrusive regulation of sexual practices between husband and wife [i'll bet any worldly person reading that would find that chilling, to say the least...], and then goes into the power struggles between russell's followers and rutherford's ousting of said followers during his successful bid for control.. very revealing... i was also struck by the fact that the wtbts was a religion with a single man leading it, until the very end of nathan knorr's period of leadership, despite the claims of the watchtower magazine that "god's organization" was being run by a "governing body" of spiritual "caretakers" for several years prior to the actual existence of said "governing body"!!!.

as ray franz states, page 65 of 1983 version: "[quote from 12/15/71 watchtower...]: "thus, too, even though there were no apostles of christ on hand in the nineteenth century, god's holy spirit must have been operative toward the formation of the governing body for his anoited remnant ... the facts speak for themselves.

boyzone

Alice

If you ask dumb questions, expect a few sarcastic answers in reply. Read CofC for yourself and find out which God Ray Franz is referring to.

Zid

I donated CofC and Christian Freedom to my library but they're either both checked out all the time or the local dubs have nicked them. I like to think the former.

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What's my "problem" with JWs a couple videos people have enjoyed...

by Tuesday in

jw
friends

hey everyone!.

i got a couple messages saying i should post these videos on here.

i got tagged by a youtuber asking me what my motivation for making videos was and what my "problem" is with jehovah's witnesses.

boyzone

Love it Tim! You go man!

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My wife's out and we're very happy

by 10p in

i feel a bit guilty.

people on this forum were very friendly and helpful to me when i was in the in-between phase between brainwashing and freedom.. i also got a lot of help and advice and sympathy when i was trying to get my wife out.. but when she did leave, i forgot all about you guys, and we got on with our lives, and have never been happier.

honestly, life is soooo damn good now, i worry i might have reached the peak and things will only get worse from here.. we are amazed at how much our children enjoy birthdays and christmas - how healthy, normal and fun these things are.

boyzone

Welcome to my world 10p! Its great to be really living ain't it?