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  If ADAM Hadn't 'Ave Sinned?

  by Celtic in

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  just supposing that adam in the garden of eden hadn't shared and participated in the eating of the forbidden fruit, what would have happened?

  would adam be without a partner to this day?

  and if god knows the end from the beginning, being the alpha and the omega an all that, did he know that 'sin' was going to take place?

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  Erich

  aChristian:
  
  You forgot to mention the most important detail of the story of Adam & Eve.
  It's Lucifer.

  The simple "test" for perfect men was actually easy to fufill. God was sure that this test would not fail. (Note: He didn't "chose" to look into the future, since pre-knowledge is just the same as pre-determination..)
  
  No. The complexity of the situation has been evoked by Lucifer's appearance as great seducer. Sure, God even would have had calculated with that betrayal, and he knew, that the things in such a case would become very complicated; but he is a God who nevertheless keeps his word consistently.

  Certainly, Lucifer (Satan) had calculated that the price for God in such case maybe would be too high (he knew that God had to offer his son for reimbursement). But this calculation had failed. God YHVH (JHWH) had proven himself as absolutely consistent.
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  2001 vs 1975

  by Amazing in

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  in 1975 jws had several things going for them.

  the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.

  most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.

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  Erich

  one:
  
  I am in the (bad) situation, that obviously many folks know my real identity and story.
  Please have comprehension I do not talk about such matters with persons who are not ready to reveal their pseudonyms.
  
  But you may send me an e-mail.
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  2001 vs 1975

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
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  in 1975 jws had several things going for them.

  the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.

  most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.

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  Erich

  outlaw:
  
  Of course, some folks did believe it.
  
  I know an elder, who went to his bank and made 50 000$ debts (convinced, he would never get prompted to pay the money back ..) For the rate of interests were about 20% at that time (you know: inflation caused by high oil-prices in 1974) this elder never has got free from debts his whole life. He is paying, and is paying, and is paying....
  
  But that was the exception, not the rule.
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  2001 vs 1975

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
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  in 1975 jws had several things going for them.

  the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.

  most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.

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  Erich

  outlaw.
  
  

  Some claim they never preached the end of the world by 1975.

  
  
  I studies the bible during that time.
  I emphasize that I never believed even only one second to an "outbreak of armageddon" in 1975. Most of other JW's I became acquainted with, believed the same...
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  JWs on truth serum

  by aChristian in

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  good morning!

  we are jehovah's witnesses.

  it is not, however, the "good news" which was preached by the apostles as recorded in the pages of the new testament.

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  Erich

  aChristian:
  
  You don't think of a possibility to reach eternal life here on earth? And no possibility of a change to a new and righteous World Order?
  
  If one do believe THAT, one also HAS TO believe, that there are two groups of saved people. (You nevertheless are right with your opinion the book of revelation is full with higher symbolic. But what is real, remains to be real.)
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  2001 vs 1975

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1975 jws had several things going for them.

  the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.

  most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.

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  Erich

  Simon:

  I think everyone is getting tired..

  There you are !!!

  See Matt. 25:5 .
  "While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep".
  Note: ALL of the "virgins"...
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  2001 vs 1975

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
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  in 1975 jws had several things going for them.

  the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.

  most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.

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  Erich

  Hi there.
  
  One can only do a prophecy, if either
  
  a) the prophecy come from higher source (YHVH/JHWH) and the
  prophet has been "authorized" to reveal and proclaim it ... or
  
  b) the prophet has got enough own power to "transfer" the prophecy
  into reality (to let the thing happen...) e.g.: If I would say:
  tomorrow my house will burn (because I would be able to put it on
  fire at any time I want..)
  
  That's no zynism. It's absolutely the truth.
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  JWs on truth serum

  by aChristian in

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  good morning!

  we are jehovah's witnesses.

  it is not, however, the "good news" which was preached by the apostles as recorded in the pages of the new testament.

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  Erich

  aChristian:
  
  

  We hope you have enjoyed our "good news." Oh, one more thing. Please pay no attention to what the apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 1:8 and 9. You know, where he said that anyone who preaches a "good news" different from that which the apostles themselves preached will be eternally condemned.

  
  
  Sorry.
  Most of all you have mentioned is topic and part of the book of revelation, and have nothing to do with "JW's special belief" etc. It's a part of of the Holy Bible, we cannot change it. We have to contemplate, and to try to understand. What we do not understand 2001, we will understand later. That's all we can do.
  
  Or is (in your opinion) the book of revelation not consistent with the belief of apostle Paul? As a consequence, God would have to condemn the author of the book revelation (John)...
  
  

  ... since you will all during eternity be corruptible, you might sometime during eternity become unfaithful to God in some way..

  
  
  Yes, of course! Human being have been created with a free will!
  Please contemplate and consider as follows:
  
  If you (as constructor and engineer) would go to produce an autonome electronic robot with a "free will", you would be forced to give him an operation manual ("rules") and a sensorium and a mind to read the text. Then you have do a test run to find out if the robot really complies with the RULES (otherwise e.g. the robot could come in conflict with other "autonome robots", who are working in the neighborhood ..)
  
  All these precautions must fulfilled if the robot is indeed an "autonome" one.
  Please ask informatics and robot specialists: A robot doesn't necessarily need a "fix installed program" (It could be equipped with sensorium to find its "program" by itself) - but if automome and having "free will", THEN IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH RULES !
  
  It's so easy, but some people do not understand that...
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  An Internet Apostate

  by Yadirf in

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  an internet "apostate" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the internet.

  s/he tries to start arguments and upset people.. apostates see internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game.

  for some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people.

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  Erich

  Hi yadirf,
  
  many thanks for answering my question.
  
  I think, all what we can do in this forum is:
  
  a) Proclaiming the existence of YHVH (JHWH) and the explanation of the
  name (tetragrammaton)
  b) Showing the unconditional necessity of a new righteous world order
  c) Proclaiming the fact that YHVH (JHWH) is going to establish that.
  
  That's all. Any efforts beyond that are in vain.
  erich
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  Could it be in 2014?

  by ozziepost in

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  on day three of this year's district convention, the talk "malachi's prophecy prepares us for jehovah's day" brought out the point that malachi prophecied approximately a hundred years after the jews returned from babylon.. could this be a "softening up" to prepare the r&f that there's still a long way to go for this "system of things"?

  100 years from 1914 leads to..... 2014. will this become the next mental 'milestone'?.

  cheers,.

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  Erich

  logical wrote:
  
  

  ..when that fails, it will be the "120" years promised to Noah's generation added onto 1914 to give 2034, then when that fails, who knows what else.

  
  
  Easy to say. It's 2914 then. Some time in the future you will read in WT, that harmagedon already had happened, and we now are living in the thousand years of the New World Order..,-) lol