in 1975 jws had several things going for them.
the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.
most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.
outlaw.
Some claim they never preached the end of the world by 1975.
I studies the bible during that time.
I emphasize that I never believed even only one second to an "outbreak of armageddon" in 1975. Most of other JW's I became acquainted with, believed the same...
good morning!
we are jehovah's witnesses.
it is not, however, the "good news" which was preached by the apostles as recorded in the pages of the new testament.
aChristian:
You don't think of a possibility to reach eternal life here on earth? And no possibility of a change to a new and righteous World Order?
If one do believe THAT, one also HAS TO believe, that there are two groups of saved people. (You nevertheless are right with your opinion the book of revelation is full with higher symbolic. But what is real, remains to be real.)
in 1975 jws had several things going for them.
the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.
most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.
Simon:
I think everyone is getting tired..There you are !!!
See Matt. 25:5 .
"While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep".
Note: ALL of the "virgins"...
in 1975 jws had several things going for them.
the ex-jws that left because of earlier prophetic failures had no real way to reach us.
most jws were of a newer generation, eager for something to happen given the times we lived in.
Hi there.
One can only do a prophecy, if either
a) the prophecy come from higher source (YHVH/JHWH) and the
prophet has been "authorized" to reveal and proclaim it ... or
b) the prophet has got enough own power to "transfer" the prophecy
into reality (to let the thing happen...) e.g.: If I would say:
tomorrow my house will burn (because I would be able to put it on
fire at any time I want..)
That's no zynism. It's absolutely the truth.
good morning!
we are jehovah's witnesses.
it is not, however, the "good news" which was preached by the apostles as recorded in the pages of the new testament.
aChristian:
We hope you have enjoyed our "good news." Oh, one more thing. Please pay no attention to what the apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 1:8 and 9. You know, where he said that anyone who preaches a "good news" different from that which the apostles themselves preached will be eternally condemned.
Sorry.
Most of all you have mentioned is topic and part of the book of revelation, and have nothing to do with "JW's special belief" etc. It's a part of of the Holy Bible, we cannot change it. We have to contemplate, and to try to understand. What we do not understand 2001, we will understand later. That's all we can do.
Or is (in your opinion) the book of revelation not consistent with the belief of apostle Paul? As a consequence, God would have to condemn the author of the book revelation (John)...
... since you will all during eternity be corruptible, you might sometime during eternity become unfaithful to God in some way..
Yes, of course! Human being have been created with a free will!
Please contemplate and consider as follows:
If you (as constructor and engineer) would go to produce an autonome electronic robot with a "free will", you would be forced to give him an operation manual ("rules") and a sensorium and a mind to read the text. Then you have do a test run to find out if the robot really complies with the RULES (otherwise e.g. the robot could come in conflict with other "autonome robots", who are working in the neighborhood ..)
All these precautions must fulfilled if the robot is indeed an "autonome" one.
Please ask informatics and robot specialists: A robot doesn't necessarily need a "fix installed program" (It could be equipped with sensorium to find its "program" by itself) - but if automome and having "free will", THEN IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH RULES !
It's so easy, but some people do not understand that...
an internet "apostate" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the internet.
s/he tries to start arguments and upset people.. apostates see internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game.
for some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people.
Hi yadirf,
many thanks for answering my question.
I think, all what we can do in this forum is:
a) Proclaiming the existence of YHVH (JHWH) and the explanation of the
name (tetragrammaton)
b) Showing the unconditional necessity of a new righteous world order
c) Proclaiming the fact that YHVH (JHWH) is going to establish that.
That's all. Any efforts beyond that are in vain.
erich
on day three of this year's district convention, the talk "malachi's prophecy prepares us for jehovah's day" brought out the point that malachi prophecied approximately a hundred years after the jews returned from babylon.. could this be a "softening up" to prepare the r&f that there's still a long way to go for this "system of things"?
100 years from 1914 leads to..... 2014. will this become the next mental 'milestone'?.
cheers,.
logical wrote:
..when that fails, it will be the "120" years promised to Noah's generation added onto 1914 to give 2034, then when that fails, who knows what else.
Easy to say. It's 2914 then. Some time in the future you will read in WT, that harmagedon already had happened, and we now are living in the thousand years of the New World Order..,-) lol
apparently the wts believes that the present number of witnesses around the world is only just the beginning>.
the january 15, 2002 issue of the watchtower states; "amid the world's present darkness, 'foreigners'-the emerging great crowd of sheeplike ones-enjoy jehovah's light together with the anointed christians.
" (page 26).
hi ozzipost:
As for me, I believe that the matters go a very peculiar and unexpected way. But that's my idea only.
Nevertheless, YHVH's (JHWH's) intention to change the world totally will happen.
apparently the wts believes that the present number of witnesses around the world is only just the beginning>.
the january 15, 2002 issue of the watchtower states; "amid the world's present darkness, 'foreigners'-the emerging great crowd of sheeplike ones-enjoy jehovah's light together with the anointed christians.
" (page 26).
ashitaka:
....people other than JW's would be saved? If so, quite interesting.Why not ? We have got no idea what really can happen. YHVH (JHWH) is a merciful God.
an internet "apostate" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the internet.
s/he tries to start arguments and upset people.. apostates see internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game.
for some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people.
yadirf wrote:
Erich
quote:
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But you could HELP brothers - "victims of apostates" - in finding appropriate answers, so that they could be able to stand against destructive criticism. Why don't you help if someone has got troubles ?
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You mean "victims of apostates" who are apostates themselves.
Well it's sorta like this, Erich:
According to 1 Corinthians 2:9 only those who are spiritual people with a close relationship with Jehovah can understand deep spiritual things. This naturally excludes apostates from having any understanding of anything having to do with spiritual matters...
Yadirf
Question:
Am I an apostate in your eyes too? Please give me an answer.
Erich
