Posts by beginnersmind

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"....you people make my ass twitch..."

by wings in

from a movie.....any takers?.

i love movies, and i need a distraction.

any other movie lovers out there?

beginnersmind

you can't drink that, even the bums on the street wouldn't drink that"
"That's because they can't afford it, lighter fluid is a far superior drink to meths"
drinks lighter fluid..."got any more?"
"no"
"liar, what's in your toolbox?"

Withnail & I?

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Nothing but the Blood - Chapter 4

by daniel-p in

jw
friends

[this is the true story of my life.

i'm posting it in installments.

the final installment will include post-script-type thoughts, with acknowledgements to those who've helped me along these last two years, as well as those who've been an inspiration.

Hi could I be put on that list for a pm when the next chapter is ready please just in case I miss it? Somehow I missed the first 3 chapters you posted but I've just read all 4 now. Thanks for sharing your story.

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JW visits the ranch in Guthrie

by hillbilly in

we've been here about 6 months... yesterday (sat) a carload of jw pulls up over the cattle guards and up the drive way.. wife and i are working in the yard.

the guy gets out with a pair of magaizines.

i noted he had no bag nor a bible... he's running mag work like a little kid.. so, he strides over to me... i cut him off.

beginnersmind

I would have choked this guy If I could have got to him.

I dont think he would have deserved that kind of anger directed at him. Remember more than likely he genuinely believes what he's saying and you will almost certainly know more about the various scandals than him. I'm still to face that test so I might react the same yet. I mean tell them to clear off not choke them lol.

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007 special Easter message= Jesus was just a man who died! No miricles!

by Witness 007 in

happy easter sunday!!

so nice to have holidays!

on cable t.v the've been having non stop jesus documentaries which are better then anything from the watchtower society!

beginnersmind

You think you know it's true. How do you know and why should we believe you? It's arrogant to say you KNOW it's true

So are you gonna say that to those on the other side of the fence in this thread that are dogmatic about what Jesus was and wasnt? Lets have a bit of balance lol.

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JW LOOPHOLE ON BLOOD IN PRINT!!

by Burger Time in

ok just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else.

anyways in this article the liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion.

the article basically points out the loophole!!

beginnersmind

Interesting article although unfortunately it doesn't have a wow factor for me as others have said its nothing new. However I do take your 'think tank' point. Surely the parents 'should' be saying no to blood and forcing the judge to make it a court order not agreeing to a 'deal' although both outcomes would be the same.

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An update at the JW media site

by DT in

i just received this email update from the jw media site:.

"police officers and local officials of samarkand, uzbekistan, raided the.

homes of jehovah's witnesses and took 18 congregation members to the.

beginnersmind

Yes I can see the irony of it but lets not hatred for the borg make light of this account. Instead of just debating the rights and wrongs of the wt and wether there were 2 witnesses to this, how about a bit of balance and some respect for the victim/s and condemnation for this act of human rights violation.

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Acts 15:19,20,28,29 what does it really mean?

by beginnersmind in

i'm not completely sold on these verses at acts 15:19,20,28,29 meaning it was just to keep harmony with jews and gentiles.

i can see that meaning in those verses but also another one.

to me that can mean that they arent going to add circumcision to the list of burdens or necessary things and those things listed in v29 are burdens not simply some things to keep harmony.

beginnersmind

Thanks for the posts they make interesting reading.

Narkissos sorry for the confusion in point 2. Sometimes I have difficulty explaining the thoughts that go round in my head. I think its sort of been answered anyway but i'll try and explain what I meant. I think the problem was I was interpreting the word burden as a definite thing to avoid for whatever reason not just a temporary one to appease the Jews. On more thinking and reading these posts I realise the word burden doesnt really play an important part in the meaning of these verses. I probably have confused you more now!

edited to say thanks also to NoLoveLost. You must have posted that as I was typing my message. I will read that later.

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Blood Issue - Could that mean bloodshed???

by cognac in

if you look up the greek word for blood, it could mean actual "blood" or it could mean "bloodshed".

the scriptures in acts are not quoted anywhere so nobody could really say for certain which meaning it actually has... .

also, just before it in acts, it states to abstain "from things strangled".

beginnersmind

I think a different meaning to the word fornication would make a lot of sense and yes it should be a matter of choice wether we want blood or not without repracussions but that probably wont happen anytime soon if ever. I would love to see it though and the effects it would cause.

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Acts 15:19,20,28,29 what does it really mean?

by beginnersmind in

i'm not completely sold on these verses at acts 15:19,20,28,29 meaning it was just to keep harmony with jews and gentiles.

i can see that meaning in those verses but also another one.

to me that can mean that they arent going to add circumcision to the list of burdens or necessary things and those things listed in v29 are burdens not simply some things to keep harmony.

beginnersmind

I'm not completely sold on these verses at Acts 15:19,20,28,29 meaning it was just to keep harmony with Jews and Gentiles. I can see that meaning in those verses but also another one. For example v28 says "we have favoured no further burden except these necessary things" then goes to list those things in v29. To me that can mean that they arent going to add Circumcision to the list of burdens or necessary things and those things listed in v29 are burdens not simply some things to keep harmony. *Also when reading v19,20 it can mean that the "decision not to trouble those of the nations turning to God" was simply not to add circumcision to the list which was given in v20. Why is fornication listed? Surely thats not something they had to refrain from to keep the peace? As to the exact meaning of blood in these verses I dont know.

Lets be clear though I do not support a ban on blood transfusions. I'm just putting across my problem with those verses in Acts. I need explaining why:

1 Fornication is on the list to avoid if its a list of things purely for keeping harmony. (I dont buy that thats permanent but the others arent argument because why havent they listed murder unless that is what is meant by blood but it would still leave the same problem of why is the list made up of temporary and permenant laws)

2 v28 where it says no futher burden ie implying v29 are burdens and v19 explaining why theres no circumcision in the list in v20*

Even if I believed these alternative explanations I still wouldnt believe in not having blood transfusions for other reason as has already been touched on in this thread. However when reading these verses my mind has both conflicting arguments going on and I cant settle on anything definite. Would anyone care to offer reasons why I should accept one explanation and reject the other?

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Blood Issue - Could that mean bloodshed???

by cognac in

if you look up the greek word for blood, it could mean actual "blood" or it could mean "bloodshed".

the scriptures in acts are not quoted anywhere so nobody could really say for certain which meaning it actually has... .

also, just before it in acts, it states to abstain "from things strangled".

beginnersmind

I'm not completely sold on these verses at Acts 15:20,28,29 meaning it was just to keep harmony with Jews and Gentiles. I can see that meaning in those verses but also another one. For example v28 says "we have favoured no further burden except these necessary things" then goes to list those things in v29. To me that can mean that they arent going to add Circumcision to the list of burdens or necessary things and those things listed in v29 are burdens not simply some things to keep harmony. *Also when reading v19,20 it can mean that the "decision not to trouble those of the nations turning to God" was simply not to add circumcision to the list which was given in v20. Why is fornication listed? Surely thats not something they had to refrain from to keep the peace? As to the exact meaning of blood in these verses I dont know.

Lets be clear though I do not support a ban on blood transfusions. I'm just putting across my problem with those verses in Acts. I need explaining why:

1 Fornication is on the list to avoid if its a list of things purely for keeping harmony. (I dont buy that thats permanent but the others arent argument because why havent they listed murder unless that is what is meant by blood but it would still leave the same problem of why is the list made up of temporary and permenant laws)

2 v28 where it says no futher burden ie implying v29 are burdens and v19 explaining why theres no circumcision in the list in v20*

Even if I believed these alternative explanations I still wouldnt believe in not having blood transfusions for other reason as has already been touched on in this thread. However when reading these verses my mind has both conflicting arguments going on and I cant settle on anything definite. Would anyone care to offer reasons why I should accept one explanation and reject the other?

edited to say I've posted this elsewhere as I feel I may be hijacking this thread as its not exactly what the op was asking, sorry.