Posts by glenster

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Sandy Hook Massacre - Solutions

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glenster

"Sandy Hook Massacre - Solutions":

They're not going to enact federal programs that require people who go off by
themselves to join a group to go bowling or something or require people who
can't defend themselves to stay in shelters. They're not going to change the
censorship laws, ban all guns, or eliminate all liquor and street drugs someone
could take instead of psychotropic meds.

With the best of mental health programs, they won't be able to predict that
because a guy has a Mom with a prepper/survivalist concern but is known as
friendly and helpful, because he has Asperger's syndrome and is shy and awkward
socially, and plays videogames, he plans to enact a "three guys, one hammer"
fantasy of murdering lots of people who don't seem likely to fight back very
well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs

Medicine and science coming up with something that diminishes excess aggres-
sion, and cures schizophrenia and other mental illnesses, would help. Short of
that, mental health programs will have a process to have people committed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment

Adam Lanza's Motive: Did Fear Of Being Committed Lead To Sandy Hook Elementary
Shooting?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/adam-lanza-motive_n_2329508.html

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Christianity gives you....ummm...ummm....exactly what?

by Terry in

christianity:.

you get struck on the cheek and you pony up for the other slap.. you pray for the enemy who wants you face down in the mud with his heel on your neck.. you get treated like pond scum but you force a smile and forgive.. .

if you are abused?

glenster

A nice hope, lots of tunes, food from the food bank when I was poor, my Mom
and Dad, M.L. King, Steven Colbert, Robert Kennedy, etc., and people like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left#United_States

Lots of material to show the JWs leaders lied about for GTJ Brooklyn.
http://glenster1.webs.com/gtjbrooklynindex.htm

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Mental health crisis in America-

by moshe in

i found this mother's letter to be an eye opener--.

written by liza long, republished from the blue review.

friday's horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in america.

glenster

l p: I'm not sure what your complaint is. The Wikipedia articles agree with
the JAMA and are well-researched. That's why I thought "this i would believe
more than what i would read on wikipedia" was curious.

The shooting does motivate us to see if there could be improvement in mental
health care. But regarding Adam Lanza "Several medical experts have stated that
there is no link between the shooting and either Asperger's or autism in
general." "The hypothesis that individuals with AS are predisposed to violent
or criminal behavior has been investigated but is not supported by data. More
evidence suggests children with AS are victims rather than victimizers. A 2008
review found that an overwhelming number of reported violent criminals with AS
had coexisting psychiatric disorders such as schizoaffective disorder."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Perpetrator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

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The 144,000

by dabster in

i was reading in revelation 7 yesterday, where the 12 tribes of the sons of israel are named and where we learn that 12,000 from each tribe are sealed.

how do the jws explain that the 144,000 are identified as israel - and identified so specifically that the 12 tribes are named?

be gentle with me when answering.

glenster

Some preachers like Popoff cook stuff up about exclusiveness to draw people to
their collection plate or buy their literature. The current JWs leaders
claim to being God's special spokespeople of a literal 144,00 goes back to
Russell in the 1880's. Exclusive claims/relatively exclusive claims distinc-
tively taught about what the Bible requires are contrived to affect that.

JWs who are outspoken about persistent disagreement with one of those policies
or claims is disfellowshipped to prevent them from spreading their research
findings among the paying customers.
http://glenster1.webs.com/gtjbrooklynindex.htm

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Mental health crisis in America-

by moshe in

i found this mother's letter to be an eye opener--.

written by liza long, republished from the blue review.

friday's horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in america.

glenster

PS to my last post: if a seriously schizophrenic (manic depressive, etc.)
person is taking street drugs they're probably not taking their psychotropic
meds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychotropic_medications

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Mental health crisis in America-

by moshe in

i found this mother's letter to be an eye opener--.

written by liza long, republished from the blue review.

friday's horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in america.

glenster

"this i would believe more than what i would read on wikipedia"

I wouldn't:

"Second, there is considerable uncertainty whether schizophrenia without
substance abuse comorbidity is actually associated with violence. Large
prospective and case-control studies have found no or only a weak association."
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=183929

Individuals with severe mental illness including schizophrenia are at a
significantly greater risk of being victims of both violent and non-violent
crime. On the other hand, schizophrenia has sometimes been associated with a
higher rate of violent acts, although this is primarily due to higher rates of
drug use. Rates of homicide linked to psychosis are similar to those linked to
substance misuse, and parallel the overall rate in a region. What role schizo-
phrenia has on violence independent of drug misuse is controversial, but certain
aspects of individual histories or mental states may be factors.

Media coverage relating to schizophrenia tends to revolve around rare but
unusual acts of violence. Furthermore, in a large, representative sample from a
1999 study, 12.8% of Americans believed that individuals with schizophrenia were
"very likely" to do something violent against others, and 48.1% said that they
were "somewhat likely" to. Over 74% said that people with schizophrenia were
either "not very able" or "not able at all" to make decisions concerning their
treatment, and 70.2% said the same of money management decisions. The perception
of individuals with psychosis as violent has more than doubled in prevalence
since the 1950s, according to one meta-analysis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Violence
Footnote 132
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000120

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Mental health crisis in America-

by moshe in

i found this mother's letter to be an eye opener--.

written by liza long, republished from the blue review.

friday's horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in america.

glenster

Despite public or media opinion, national studies have indicated that severe
mental illness does not independently predict future violent behavior, on
average, and is not a leading cause of violence in society. There is a statis-
tical association with various factors that do relate to violence (in anyone),
such as substance abuse and various personal, social and economic factors.

In fact, findings consistently indicate that it is many times more likely that
people diagnosed with a serious mental illness living in the community will be
the victims rather than the perpetrators of violence. In a study of individuals
diagnosed with "severe mental illness" living in a US inner-city area, a quarter
were found to have been victims of at least one violent crime over the course of
a year, a proportion eleven times higher than the inner-city average, and higher
in every category of crime including violent assaults and theft. People with a
diagnosis may find it more difficult to secure prosecutions, however, due in
part to prejudice and being seen as less credible.

However, there are some specific diagnoses, such as childhood conduct disorder
or adult antisocial personality disorder or psychopathy, which are defined by,
or are inherently associated with, conduct problems and violence. There are con-
flicting findings about the extent to which certain specific symptoms, notably
some kinds of psychosis (hallucinations or delusions) that can occur in dis-
orders such as schizophrenia, delusional disorder or mood disorder, are linked
to an increased risk of serious violence on average. The mediating factors of
violent acts, however, are most consistently found to be mainly socio-demograph-
ic and socio-economic factors such as being young, male, of lower socioeconomic
status and, in particular, substance abuse (including alcoholism) to which some
people may be particularly vulnerable.

High-profile cases have led to fears that serious crimes, such as homicide,
have increased due to deinstitutionalization, but the evidence does not support
this conclusion. Violence that does occur in relation to mental disorder
(against the mentally ill or by the mentally ill) typically occurs in the
context of complex social interactions, often in a family setting rather than
between strangers. It is also an issue in health care settings and the wider
community.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder#Perception_and_discrimination

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Mental health crisis in America-

by moshe in

i found this mother's letter to be an eye opener--.

written by liza long, republished from the blue review.

friday's horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in america.

glenster

"And then there are the video games."

Whoa. Ease up.
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/index.htm

Controversies over video games center on controversial content of video games
and effects that video games have on behavior.

Video games have been studied for links to addiction and aggression. Before
this[when?] meta-analyses were conflicting. A 2001 study found that exposure to
violent video games correlates with at least a temporary increase in aggression.
A decrease in prosocial behavior (caring about the welfare and rights of others)
was also noted. Another 2001 meta-analysis using similar methods and a
more recent 2009 study focusing specifically on serious aggressive behavior
concluded that video game violence is not related to serious aggressive behav-
ior in real life. Many potential positive effects have been proposed. Recent
research has suggested that some violent video games may actually have a pro-
social effect in some contexts, for example, team play.

It has been argued[by whom?] there is generally a lack of quality studies
which can be relied upon and that the video game industry has become an easy
target for the media to blame for many modern day problems.[ The most
recent large scale meta-analysis, examining 130 studies with over 130,000 sub-
jects worldwide, concluded that exposure to violent video games causes both
short term and long term aggression in players and decreases empathy and pro-
social behavior. However, this meta-analysis was severely criticized in the
same issue of the same journal for a number of methodological flaws, including
failure to distinguish clinically valid from unstandardized aggression measures
and for failing to solicit studies from researchers who have questioned whether
causal links exist, thus biasing the sample of included studies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversies

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THIS MAN proved that God exists and he did it effortlessly!

by Terry in

meet a really smart fellow named anselm 1043--1109 a.d.. .

he was elected abbot in lombardy in 1078 a.d.. .

that than which nothing greater can be thought exists in the understanding.

glenster

Ontological arguments don't require all beneficence. They should exclude it
if taken to require that He have us all live in heavenly circumstances forever
and we don't. Still, you can believe in life or not and a God that presides
over it or not and reckon on the possibility. Otherwise evil partly gets into
human free will and whether or not this God should provide that.

Atheism is rejection of belief in God or gods, similar to rationalism defined
to mean focus on only the known proven things, not a belief, although atheists
may be better or worse at rationalism--getting the facts right--and may believe
other things. Agnosticism leaves the possibility of God open. Belief can be
understood for God as beyond the known things while staying up on the known
things or not.

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THIS MAN proved that God exists and he did it effortlessly!

by Terry in

meet a really smart fellow named anselm 1043--1109 a.d.. .

he was elected abbot in lombardy in 1078 a.d.. .

that than which nothing greater can be thought exists in the understanding.

glenster

"This is the kind of statement that sent me towards math and science rather
than religion or philosophy."

I don't think the perspective I intend should be any affront to someone who
doesn't care for religion or philosophy (although aversion to all philosophy
could obviously lead to problems whether you believe in God or not).

I enjoyed math and science in school and read the latest science news.
In understanding faith as such, as a hope for a possible God beyond the known
things, I'd also recommend keeping up with the known things God is possible
beyond (liberal not conservative stances on various issues--evolution, rights
and regard of women and LGBT people, etc.).

Understanding it as a possibility, not a proven, also means there shouldn't be
harm over it. Arbitrary hurting and killing are sadism and murder, and 'centric
intolerance by some of either choice about faith have caused the most harm on
the issue. Claiming proof of either stance can lead some to make either law of
the land with punishments, which is institutionalized 'centric intolerance.

An analogy I make is with music, the known things being like the objective
math of the music and faith or not being like subjective reactions beyond it
with no one obliged to anyone else's subjective reactions. Get the known things
right or you'll play off the beat and hit wrong notes. Not wanting final arbi-
ters of taste requiring subjective reactions is like wanting separation of
church and state. We can't objectively prove someone else has to have the same
subjective reaction so shouldn't be 'centric and only have friends with the same
likes and dislikes in music.

I've enjoyed math and science, but can love writing and listening to songs,
too. In this perspective, atheism, rejection of belief in god or gods, is like
someone not liking a song another likes to me, not a difference in acceptance of
math and science. Misinformation with those come with the sort of conservative
stances I referred to which I'd discourage as harmful to the God concept and
people.