Posts by neverendingjourney

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Witnesses killed my friend today.

by WasOnceBlind in

today has been a horrible day.

what began as a day of joy finding out that one of my lifelong friends had her baby, turned into a nightmare when her brother called me to let me know she had passed away after birth.

i was in shock and didn't ask how.

neverendingjourney

Condolences. I wish I had more comforting words to share with you. It's a real shame this happened.

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windows 10

by zeb in

do i ever learn!

that when they say this is an 'improved' model it never is!.

i downloaded windows 10 and it wiped out my emails and the email account... oh joy.. i have since removed the 10. arrgh!

neverendingjourney

My desktop installed a bunch of Windows 10 updates over the weekend and as far as I can tell it killed my computer.

It keeps booting up in safe mode. I spent a few hours over the weekend trying to fix the problem, but I gave up. I can't get it to boot up properly.

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i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

neverendingjourney

@Nathan Natas

Are you off your meds?

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

neverendingjourney

" Advertise, Advertise, Advertise, The King and His Kingdom."

Interesting take. James Penton in Apocalypse Delayed argues he brought this focus with him from his days as a judge/politician. Elected judges were politicians and had to run successful campaigns to get elected. Back then it was common for politicians to go door-to-door canvassing for support.

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

neverendingjourney

This book argues that the early Bible Students were not an offshoot of Adventism by any means.

Have you read it? If so, is it worth a read?

It'd be interesting to read a different take. Obviously, CTR had many other influence. Pyramidology comes to mind, but from what I've seen Adventist thinking was the primary influence.

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

neverendingjourney

Miller dated the invasion of Israel and capture of Manasseh to 677 bc.. That was when he reckoned Israel no longer was a nation. So that was why he started from there.

That's interesting.

It goes to show how subjective prophecy interpretation can be. Did the gentile times begin when the king of the northern kingdom of Israel was taken captive or when the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed? How could someone possibly come up with a definitive answer to such a subjective question?

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

neverendingjourney

I guess it appeals to me because it is internally coherent.

The last vestiges of internal coherence went away after the 95 generation change.

When I was a child there were a lot of smart but uneducated elders who felt like they were doing legitimate Bible scholarship researching in their WT publications.

Now it's laughable. Geriatric bureaucrats standing in front of an overlapping-generation chart daring members to say "the emperor has no clothes."

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

neverendingjourney

I've come to the conclusion that early Bible Students should be classified as a Millerite offshoot.

Wikipedia seems to agree with me:

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventism

Rutherford really left a mark on the religion and steered it away in many ways from its Adventist roots, but it's still palpable.

Fascinating video on the topic if you have an hour and fifteen minutes to spare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c-PdT0SsE

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

neverendingjourney

For those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by Russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the Adventist preacher William Miller.

See this chart:

If you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years). Except he begins counting the beginning of the gentile times in 677 B.C. when Israel was supposedly carried captive. Since he began counting in 677 B.C. and not 607 B.C. as Russell did, Miller arrived at 1843, not 1914.

It's noteworthy that Miller and Russell made the same mistake: not realizing there was no 0 year. Miller fixed this by moving the end date from 1843 to 1844. Russell did the opposite. He moved the start date from 606 B.C. to 607 B.C.

Seeing as how this is the same reasoning, does anyone know why Miller chose 677 B.C. as the start date? Obviously, it was because it would have come during his lifetime and people seem to have a built in bias to believe their era is a particularly meaningful one, but what might have been his scriptural reasoning?

Link to full-size chart: http://www.bible.ca/pre-miller-1843-ellen-white.gif

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

neverendingjourney

If you haven't already, read this thread by new boy:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5183783305216000/my-bethel-experience-part-3

It's in line with various accounts of bethel life I've heard over the years. It might help you rethink the notion that the GB are good people who are just as much the victims as the rank and file.

Oh they might buy into it lock stock and barrel but it doesn't mean they aren't terrible people. The higher up you get, the bigger a-holes you tend to encounter.