Posts by neverendingjourney

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OMFG Dinosaurs and Noah

by konceptual99 in

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just fell off my chair whilst listening to the bible "highlights".

someone has actually just said that the flood account actually helps inform scientists on matters that perplex them.

for example for decades they have wondered how the dinosaurs all disappeared but if they looked at the account of the flood then they would see the answer.

neverendingjourney

Neverending--then how do any sea creatures remain? Noah didnt have a goldfish bowl in his arc did he?

He did have a goldfish bowl. In fact, Jehovah temporarily made all sea life microspic and placed into Noahs's special bowl until the ark made landfall. The water in the bowl was then sprinkled with fairy dust and the sea creatures all returned to their normal size and rushed back to their natural habitats. Except for dinosaur sea life. Dinosaurs were too stupid to find their way back, so they died on shore and their remains were instantly fossilized. Their remains also serve as the source of all crude oil in our modern age. Little known fact.

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OMFG Dinosaurs and Noah

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

just fell off my chair whilst listening to the bible "highlights".

someone has actually just said that the flood account actually helps inform scientists on matters that perplex them.

for example for decades they have wondered how the dinosaurs all disappeared but if they looked at the account of the flood then they would see the answer.

neverendingjourney

Remember sharks werent destroyed in flood....all sea life survived right? So what happened to the sea beasts from the dinosaur age?

And how did both fresh and salt water fish survive if the flood waters covered the tallest mountains? The water would have mixed destroying the suitable habitat for countless number of species.

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OMFG Dinosaurs and Noah

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

just fell off my chair whilst listening to the bible "highlights".

someone has actually just said that the flood account actually helps inform scientists on matters that perplex them.

for example for decades they have wondered how the dinosaurs all disappeared but if they looked at the account of the flood then they would see the answer.

neverendingjourney

the mere fact a Witness of 50 years can still think it's OK to say such a thing says loads about the way the WTS "teaches"

If you were to give my mother a quiz about elementary WT doctrines, I doubt she'd get half of the answers right. In fact, I'm quite certain she would have no idea whether according to WT doctrine the dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood or died off many years before. She simply doesn't care about that kind of thing. She's been a baptized Witness for something like 30 years. I have no idea how she "passed" the question sessions she had with the elders before her baptism.

What's worse, my dad to this day says he expected to see the holy spirit or a vision after being dunked. It's a crazy world. All my mom cared about were that the children were well dressed and well behaved and she wanted to raise her own kids in that environment. My dad was excited that he finally had access to the Bible (he was Catholic) and could now argue with his siblings and "prove" them wrong using the Bible. That was a huge deal. When he was growing up only priests dared attempt to understand the Bible.

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Why is it so hard to speak about Jehovah's Witnesses in neutral terms?

by neverendingjourney in

catholicism.

islam.

buddhism.

neverendingjourney

know freddy franz made it a hard rule. Maybe I am wrong on it being in the earlier literature, but i was sure I had seen it. I will check that out, sorry if I was wrong.

No need to apologize. Nobody should expect you to be a human encyclopedia. I know I'm not.

JW Facts, as is to be expected, has a great analysis of the doctrine's development. Rutherford banned the eating of animal blood, but

The Watchtower 1945 Jul 1, pp.199-200 contained the first discussion that God's prohibition also applying to human blood. It included mention of blood transfusions, though not directly forbidding them.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blood-transfusions.php

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Cold Fusion Moves Into Mainstream

by metatron in

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http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/15/cold-fusion-moves-into-mainstream.

you shills aren't doing your job.

you need to provide more ridicule to stop this movement from saving the human race and changing the world.. hey, i'm just sayin'.

neverendingjourney

I'm currently reading a book called Physics of the Future by a physicist and science popularizer named Michio Kaku. You might have seen him on TV if you're into science documentaries.

Anyhow, there are a lot of technologies currently being developed that fill one with a sense of awe and wonder. There's no need, in my opinion, to seek out technologies of dubious credibility. Exciting, verifiable technologies are being currently developed.

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Do you think that the WT has gotten stranger as time goes by or is it that with distance comes perspective?

by 4thgen in

the preaching the jw.org thing is so strange.

the two generations "new light" is crazy.

but then again i look back at some of the things i believed and taught wonder 'what was i thinking'?

neverendingjourney

It's all about perspective. Objectively, the WT has gotten more conventional in their beliefs with the passage of time. Gone are the days of pyramid inches, a resurrection of "princes" of the old testament preceding armageddon, ban on organ transplants, and the list goes on and on.

Even with respect to the cultish aspects of the religion, it can't be any worse today than in the aftermath of the Ray Franz expulsion when rules were being invented on the fly to eliminate any possible influence from high-ranking members who were eschewing orthodoxy. In fact, even unbaptized publishers could be shunned. You didn't even have to be baptized. As recently as 7 or 8 years ago parents interacting with disfellowshipped children was tolerated whereas I knew of several elderly people who hadn't spoken to disfellowshipped children in decades because it was absoultely prohibited during their time.

We see things more clearly now that we are out, but I don't think it's really any worse that what's come before.

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How much more strange can this get ?

by man in black in

ladt night i was talking to a coworker who's sister is a witness in my old hall, and i needed some asprin after listening to this.. how can this be tolerated by people who believe that they alone speak the truth ?.

a young couple ( early 30's) had two children, and they adopted another boy from the inner city, so they have three boys under the age of 13.. the father is a construction worker, and mom works pt doing various jobs.. as a babysitter they use the respected teenaged son of a very prominent elder.

well, the parents breakup.

neverendingjourney

Sitting bac and looking at the whole situation, it is just so mentally insane to me seeing how three families were torn apart, and by playing the system with appearances and sympathy, now everyone is back.

One of the big eye-openers for me was realizing that the people I was meeting outside of the religion were on average better people than the brothers in the hall.

At least now I can choose to not let crazy people into my life. I didn't have that luxury when I was a JW since they were my "brothers."

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Why is it so hard to speak about Jehovah's Witnesses in neutral terms?

by neverendingjourney in

catholicism.

islam.

buddhism.

neverendingjourney

Not to make a big stink, but the "mansion" isn't really a mansion as much as a big house

It was a mansion for its time, although it wouldn't properly be considered a mansion by today's standards.

There was a house I saw a few years ago that once belonged to the family of a former U.S. president. It had a historical marker on site that referred to it as so-and-so mansion. The actual name escapes me. That's what it was referred to at the time. It was no bigger than your typical McMansion you see in modern day suburbia, maybe 3,500 sq. ft.

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Why is it so hard to speak about Jehovah's Witnesses in neutral terms?

by neverendingjourney in

catholicism.

islam.

buddhism.

neverendingjourney

I agree with you, although in fairness the blood doctrine was Freddy's brainchild. Lots of medical and scientific quackery to speak of during the Rutherford era, but this particular pernicious doctrine was Freddy's idea.

It came very early in the Knorr era. Knorr wasn't interested in pursuing Rutherford's publicity-seeking ways and, with the notable exception of the blood ban, mostly reigned in policies that would further alienate witnesses from society at large.

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Did your congregation have a "Pioneer Appreciation Day"?

by Coffee House Girl in

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my mom (who is now a regular pioneer) has been laid up after having major surgery, and i assert my "biblical" rights as a daughter to do what i can to take care of her, so i have been trying to go to her house on my day off to vaccum and run errands for her since she is not supposed to drive.. she called me last saturday to tell me that i couldn't come by because she was driving to her pioneer appreciation day get-together, wtf .

i'm just curious if this only happens in my area (michigan, us)????.

chg. .

neverendingjourney

No such thing in my hall, although I grew up in the South and I stopped going to meetings nearly 10 years ago. The closest thing to it was once a year when they would give us a "special talk" and take us out to eat afterwards.