Posts by Marcel

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MEMORIAL Q: How does WT Explain Away 1 Cor. 10:17?

by abbagail in

since the wt is "famous" for having a "ready answer" to every scripture that proves them wrong, what is the "official wt teaching" on 1 cor.

"14 therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry.

15 i speak as to men with discernment; judge for yourselves what i say.

Marcel

thats impressiv to me. i always would have used Matthew 5:5 to "proove" that there must be two classes.

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MEMORIAL Q: How does WT Explain Away 1 Cor. 10:17?

by abbagail in

since the wt is "famous" for having a "ready answer" to every scripture that proves them wrong, what is the "official wt teaching" on 1 cor.

"14 therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry.

15 i speak as to men with discernment; judge for yourselves what i say.

i dont get it abbagail.
you basically say the gentiles will reign over the jews?! or who in fact will have the earthly hope?
sorry, but for it sounds very weired and not refreshing. can you explain it for me a second time? =)

one thought pops into my mind anytime i read about these things.
is it logical to believe that the bible is so uncertain about its message when god sent it to us to SAVE us because he DONT want ANY of us to die? why have nearly 2000 years of bible interpretation didnt established a perfect view of the things?

for me it looks like the bible should be so easy, when god wants us to be saved (in the case the jws were right):

"THE HOLY BIBLE. Chapter 1 (of 1):
come on guys, here are the facts:
1. jehovah god is god
2. jesus is his son - two beings. he died for our sins.
3. the holy spirit is no person, but gods force.
4. we have 2 classes here. one are have heavenly hope other earthly.
5. the earth class is bigger and will show up when the end is near.
6. the heaven class will reign over paradise with jesus.
7. the individual knows to which class he/she belongs.
8. dont celebrate or use any pagan things or celebrations. only celebrate the last supper (bread and wine to remember the son once in a year - earthly hopers dont partake)
9. love your next like yourself (rules out all sins)
10. go preaching this message
11. dont use blood - even not for future uses of blood (only if you split it up before)
12. a new organisation will show up in the end - follow them even if they do unchristian things.
13. ah yes, satan, wants you to kick this out and go do your own thing. dont listen to him. follow this paper.
.
.
. [add some other doctrines i missed for now - dont exceed 20]
"

tadaa. everything could be so refreshing =)
lol

no seriously. i would expect that IMPORTANT letter more specific. hey look at the facts. EVEN the CHOSEN GODS ORGANISATION dont get the bible completely and has to change the doctrines continously.

marc

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Memorial 'Holiday"?

by onlycurious in

if the dub's don't believe in celebrating holidays, what makes the memorial different?.

Marcel

BR25,

i know what you mean. many comments on this forum doesnt seem to be intelligent. some of them are just hateful fun about a religion. such comments are a kind of rubbish with no real sense - true. we all know that. additionally some of the comments seem to suggest things that are most-likely not better than the corresponding jw doctrine.

but consider this:
the user of this forum are in a great number disappointed of the jehovahs witnesses. they were hurt, they dislike the cult to a certain degree. so it comes they dont post *always* serious debates but also jokes, fun and stuff that isnt completely deepthought. we can add the fact that there is no organisation called "ex-jws" with a belief system. anyone who left the jw became someone else. let it be an atheist, another type of christian or whatever. some are so disappointed of everything that they just dont believe in anything at all and just live their lifes.

you need to ask for reasoning on a certain subject. what *may* be the truth about a certain bible passage or stuff. dont expect a biblical or non-biblical perfect reasoning on any subject automatically. its not a religion here. its just a forum =)

marc

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The Bible says "Abstain from blood..." but does not mention THUMBS!

by Nathan Natas in

see: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=cannibal-munched-pensioner-s-thumb--&method=full&objectid=18860588&siteid=89520-name_page.html.

cannibal munched pensioner's thumb.

a slovakian worker who ate the thumb of a pensioner during a savage attack was yesterday held indefinitely under the mental health act.. jan ometak, 28, broke into doug morgan's house at 4am and attacked him like "an animal", gnawing at his face, arms and chest.. the jehovah's witness, who is a paranoid schizophrenic, said he was on a "mission from god"... (see site for more).

Marcel

a zombie... damn... we got an outbreak =D

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"You'll never even get to finish school in this System of Things....."

by WingCommander in

this statement was often echeod to me during my formative years.

i remember my very first day of elementary school (stateside) at the age of 4. my parents were flustered because they couldn't believe they actually had to start their only child into public school to begin with; after all, the end was right around the corner!

this was 1984, the year the first apple mac was introduced, 80's music was loud and in your face, the delorean was cool, and miami vice was just in production.

Marcel

my parents didnt really discourage me to go to school or college (but neither they courages me - so i didnt go to college... even with my good grades lol), BUT
i remember my mum telling me over and over again when i was like 5 that she doesnt think i would see highschool in this system and it seems like a fact to her that i would never go to work. but here i am awaiting the big 30 with my wife and my job.

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The Tower of Babel... What's up with that?

by LtCmd.Lore in

seriously,,, what was gods problem?

the story of babel bothered me for quite a while.

after all, satan made a few challenges right?

Marcel

thats one of the most blasphemic topics i ever read =)
nice thoughts. ill think about that later.

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URGENT - UK Elders (or elders wives)

by S EIGHT in

i am in urgent need of a copy of a letter sent to uk elders in regard to weddings held at the kh and specific comments about the responsibilities of the brother giving the wedding talk.

i'm told this is a fairly recent letter.. we have an elder kicking up hell about innactive ones who want to come and watch the wedding.

he happens to be the one giving the talk and is acting like he has full control on this wedding.

Marcel

"Still surprises me that the Watchtower doesn't require a 'virginity test' before allowing weddings on in the KH! Crazy dubs! You have to laugh.....otherwise....."

when i married, my wife and me was asked whether we had intercourse before. if we answered "yes" there wouldnt been a wedding at the KH.
there IS this virginity test, but its limited to conscience in front of god only. you're not allowed to lie.

i wont tell ya whether we lied =)

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Watchtower news flash - heaven now open 24/7

by cultswatter in

here is a 3 page ms word document.

it looks much better in colour but b&w will do.. enjoy.

(click on download at bottom of page).

Marcel

thats crazy. now we have it official. annoited can be called:

- any day any time even in the farest future
- dont have to any special attributes. annointed can be spiritually WEAK(!!).

i know many people who predicted that before.

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Got your memorial invite?

by startingover in

a couple of years ago a couple of elders, who are nice guys and are long time friends, came over to see me and invite me to the memorial.

after listening to them, i asked them a question.

i asked why in 1 cor.

Marcel

startingover:

what is the common excuse for this flaw?
jesus came... so why do we need to celebrate in anymore? because there are annointed still on earth?

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Discovery Channel: Est. 6.5 Million in Catacombs- Wouldn't the annointed...

by Lady Liberty in

hello all and happy tuesday!.

in light of the recent discussion on the 144,000, i thought i would mention a program recently aired on the discovery channel.

it is estimated 6.5 million were laid to rest there.

Marcel

i read a bit about the catacombs and for me it seemed like almost none of the dead in the catacombs *can* be true christians (in jw belief).

i read somewhere (i forgot where :() that the most ppl in there are from the ~ 3rd century...
and the first christians were using normal graves instead.
if you browse the websites about the catacombs you encounter pictures and stories about thousands of monks, popes, nuns, etc which are buried there. and i guess in jw belief no monk could have been a true christian.

additionally the catacombs were not used by christains only. around 50% were jews...
i guess in jw belief all or nearly all of the bones there orignate from apostates or jews.