Posts by Georgiegirl

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Non-Bible Believers: What verses still have value to you?

by Open mind in

ok, if a bible believer wants to join in too, please refrain from citing john 3:16 or verse like it that clearly call for a christian perspective to be appreciated.. .

i'm looking for kernels of wisdom that transcend religions and the necessity of faith.. .

to get things started:.

Georgiegirl

The day I lost my fear that the bible was the ONLY book inspired of God (and ergo, by leaving JWs I was leaving God and the Bible - and I've moved on from fear, but that was part of the process) was the day I discovered that the major proverbs/beliefs, etc - had all been in existence and written down thousands of years before the bible.

Take for example, the golden rule (to bring my post back on topic - grin), which I think has enormous value. Observe:

the Golden Rule.

Bahia
And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy
neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself.

Hindu Faith
This is the sum of duty: do naught to others which if done to thee would cause thee pain,
The Mahabharata

Zoroastrian Faith
Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others.
Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29

Buddhist Faith
Hurt not others with that which pains yourself.
Udana-Varga

Muslim Faith
No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Hadith

African Traditional Religions
One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts.
Yoruba Proverb (Nigeria)

Do not do unto others what angers you if done to you by others.
Isocrates 436-338 BCE

Tzu-kung asked, 'Is there a single word which can be a guide to conduct throughout one's life?' The Master said, 'It is perhaps the word shu. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'
Confucianism. Analects, 15.24

A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated.
Jainism. Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence.
Confucianism. Mencius VII.A.4

Comparing oneself to others in such terms as Just as I am so are they, just as they are so am I, he should neither kill nor cause others to kill.
Buddhism. Sutta Nipata 705

What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah; all the rest of it is commentary; go and learn.
Judaism. Talmud, Shabbat 31a And finally, the bible catches up with: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do
ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
The Gospel of Matthew ( Matt 7:12, Luke 6:31) Fascinating. Truly the truth sets you free. :)

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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Georgiegirl

(sighs) I know, I know, ATJ. I really try hard to stay away from pointless threads like this but this time I just couldn't help it. I got drawn in by the stupidity. I'm leaving, I'm leaving.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

.

Georgiegirl

I know Outlaw! You just can't please some people! :)

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

.

Georgiegirl

Thank you mrsjones5! :)

pjs: I didn't start the forum nor do I own it so I cannot tell you why the owner named it as it is named. Does it matter what it is called in light of your organization's directives? See #'s 1, 2 and 3 of original post. And misleading??? Sorry - I'm laughing now. I don't think any of us pretend this is something it is not. We are very open about our experiences and our beliefs.

Furthermore, I am happy to speak with xians, wiccans, muslims, jews, or jws, all of whom post here. Frankly, I don't care if you post here or not. I do care, when you or A/E (or anyone else) try to justify your own disobedience to who you believe to be Jehovah's organization with fatuous comments of self-justification like - "this is a JW forum" when it CLEARLY is not run by, sponsored by, or sanctioned by the JW organization. I believe that is called "hypocrisy".

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

.

Georgiegirl

Then, frankly, AE, they are out of line with the organization who values conformity and "unity" above all else - nor - do I actually believe it to be true. I would prefer independent confirmation, over the word of someone who has consistently proven NOT to be in step with the organization nor following its directives...and I'm not sure how's that's "WOT" since YOU brought it up and I was answering you. My original post was on topic to specifically address the FALSE contention that this is a JW forum.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

.

Georgiegirl

Isaacaustin - oh absolutely. That's why I specifically just put what was on paper. You and I both know that's not what happens in practice. As any one with any perceptive powers knows, that deadly JW phrase "a true lover of Jehovah would (or would not)" actually means - if you do this and are caught out, you are totally screwed. Nevertheless, since that's been pointed out over and over and over and over again on this forum and certain ones retreat back to what's "on paper" I phrased it that way.

AE - Do your research in your organization's publications. Beards? No, I don't think so. Not if a brother wants to be a brother "in good standing." Mustaches, however, are a matter of "personal conscience". And I don't think anyone has ever said the "white shirts" was written down - that was definitely a cultural attitude (and in many cases, a generational thing). But "in relationship to the kingdom" that's fairly petty. Putting yourself between a believer and Christ as the mediator? Making policies that cost lives and then later reversing those polices? Reading and intepreting more into the scriptures than what is there? THAT'S not so petty.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

.

Georgiegirl

Ok. I'm not sure how to make this any clearer for Angel Eyes and pjschipper...

1. This is NOT a forum run by Jehovah's Witnesses. It is in no way associated with or supported by the Jehovah's Witness organization.

2. Your organization specifically has asked its members not to run forums for JWs. In fact, it proactively goes after them and tries to shut them down, if at all possible.

3. Your presence here (nod to Angel Eyes in her excrutiatingly EXACT interpretation) is not forbidden by your organization. Instead it is strongly discouraged. A "truly strong and spiritual Jehovah's Witness" would not be on here and would not be associating or conversing with known apostates. Period.

4. We have already been witnessed too or, worse, were in the Jehovah's Witness cult. Therefore, if you truly believe your own organization's directives, go and preach to those who have not heard the "good news" so that the end can FINALLY come. Geez, the two of you could be making the end come later with all the time you're wasting here!

5. And yes, JWs ARE allowed to post here and because WE do not shun, we actually welcome almost everyone (trolls and generally obnoxious and offensive posters excluded.) Therefore, you can and probably will (for no reason I personally understand) continue to post. Guess what? That's actually ok. But, please, can you just cut out the bulls**t?

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ethical question - maybe you can help

by besty in

this is hypothetical, but it must happen and i don't recall it being addressed before on jwn.

we are df'd about 2 years now.

our jw friends shunned us.. if one such friend now reaches out to contact us that would surely be a good thing, yes?

Georgiegirl

Wavvy said exactly what I thought...you don't know the circumstances and in a JW mindset, this person may very well have felt that this was the only way out. Perhaps the trauma and disconnecting from marriage, family, friends may help them open their minds as well. I would be supportive - you can always have a heart to heart talk LATER if you feel you need to extricate. To cut a person off without knowing all of the cirumstances is just as judgmental and unloving as WTS shunning (IMHO). If, as time goes on, your personal feelings and ethics tell you that you need to end the friendship and support, that's fine. But to not offer it simply because there was adultery - well...with JWs, you just never know WHY. (you might, hypothetically, know why and so that would certain change things - I'm generalizing).

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ethical question - maybe you can help

by besty in

this is hypothetical, but it must happen and i don't recall it being addressed before on jwn.

we are df'd about 2 years now.

our jw friends shunned us.. if one such friend now reaches out to contact us that would surely be a good thing, yes?

Georgiegirl

Wavvy said exactly what I thought...you don't know the circumstances and in a JW mindset, this person may very well have felt that this was the only way out. Perhaps the trauma and disconnecting from marriage, family, friends may help them open their minds as well. I would be supportive - you can always have a heart to heart talk LATER if you feel you need to extricate. To cut a person off without knowing all of the cirumstances is just as judgmental and unloving as WTS shunning (IMHO). If, as time goes on, your personal feelings and ethics tell you that you need to end the friendship and support, that's fine. But to not offer it simply because there was adultery - well...with JWs, you just never know WHY. (you might, hypothetically, know why and so that would certain change things - I'm generalizing).

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Why it's Dangerous to Associate w/ Jehovah's Witnesses-Barbara Anderson

by flipper in

barbara wanted me to post this info she shared recently at a speech she gave at a seminar.

all comments welcome.

peace out .. .

Georgiegirl

Ok - totally off topic - but now I know who to ask for help with my statistics homework!!! *blinks*

ETA: That I'm taking because now I'm in University WHICH. I. WASN'T. ALLOWED. TO. DO. AS. A. JW.

Just sayin'.