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  Whatever happened to the poster named V?

  by SnakesInTheTower in

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  i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

  anyone know what ever became of v?

  thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

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  Judical Committee- FUBAR decisions

  by Think About It in

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  i had posted this as part of another thread, but thought it might make a good separate thread.

  here's a jc fubar decision that i experienced.. i dealt with a brother who threatened to kill his family, my family, and then himself.

  this guys' secret sins were becoming manifest and as an elder some things came to my attention, including wife abuse and according to her, allegations of possible misconduct with the young daughter.

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  I was the victim of a FUBAR judicial committee. I have told parts of this story here in the past. As a MS in 1991, I was accused of lying by two married regular pioneers sisters, who were apparently jealous of my friendship (not romantic) with a single pioneer sister in our KH.

  I was accused of lying about my field service time (one of them had been nosing around in my personal calendar that I had left on the front seat of my car -- apparently they did not think it possible that I had put in 120 hours one month because they hadn't seen me out that much.),

  I was also accused of lying about having a crush on a single pioneer sister in our congo (who was very close friends with the secretary of the congo...a little too close for the tastes of many as he was/is married). Most of the regular pioneers, with the exception of two elderly pioneers who would have backed me, were invited into a supposed "investigation only" meeting. Little did they or I know that it was really a judicial committee. It was not a committee of 3 elders. It was the entire BOE of I think 6 or 8 at the time.

  The elder who was chairing it (the secretary), went down the line one by one and asked each pioneer sister "do you think Brother Bailey lies, yes or no?" If any answer other than "yes" or "no" came out, they were interrupted and asked "yes or no." The consensus was all yes. (Years later, the single sister told me she was pressured by the elders to say yes though she didnt believe it....shortly after that meeting, she moved away. I hear she is still single, still a pioneer. Poor girl. 50 with no future.)

  I was also accused about, of all things, claiming to have lied about coming up with the idea to have my cinnamon roll heated with butter at the local donut shop and telling everyone that it was my idea. WTF? How petty. It was the donut shop owner who suggested it. I just passed the idea along. But that was how petty things got, the BOE wanted the troublemaker MS gone and they were developing a portfolio of lies for me.

  After we were all dismissed, they told me to stay while they went downstairs to talk. They then, after awhile, came back and told me I was being judicially reproved privately, being removed as MS and pioneer, and "restricted" from public prayer for a single month. Just enough to keep me off the pioneer list for a year and MS for 3.

  So that's my personal FUBAR JC story... and here is a big fat middle finger to KS, the chair of that committee...now an elder in another nearby KH.

  palmtree:

  I know of an elder who kept files on his computer of everyone in the congregation. A young brother moved in with them temporarily, was using the computer and found them.

  Not on a computer to my knowledge, but the former secretary of the Carlyle, Illinois congregation had a manila file folder in the elder's cabinet on every single publisher in the congregation... including me. Kind of a CIA kind of thing he had going on.... mundane and extremely personal notes with lots of his opinions on the perceived spirituality of each person. Completely unauthorized even by WT cult standards.

  Only he and the PO (the only 2 elders before my arrival from MTS) had keys. When I requested a key, I was told only they could have it. I went to the CO... CO made them give me a key. I found the files and I cleaned house. When I was done, there were 3 large black Hefty trash bags (the kind you find on construction sites) full of files that had to be burned. Oh did I start a fire fight with those actions! I made sure that select gossipers in the congo were made aware of the existence of the files so that they would be careful. That guy was hated by all in the congregation. Though his wife claimed the opposite and said she was the "Mother" of the congo. AFter the arrival of us three MTS grads, two of us who were elders, the MS appointed not long after I left, the secretary left not long after me.

  That congo had so many "investigations" going on into people's personal lives. It was why myself and 2 other MTS grads were sent in. I left after 4 months. I couldn't take the paranoia and the 150 mile round trip from my house to the territory several times a week. Don't know if the congo still exists or not, or if it does if the other two MTS guys from my class are still there.

  Even around Bethel, the congos are fouled up. I was at WT Farm as a temp and heard more abusive language in the locker room before lunch than in some biker bars. I know of congos in the Bronx, Harlem, and Brooklyn that have very screwed up elder bodies. Be interesting to see how many of those congos will continue to exist once WT exits the city.

  So all of these stories are very believable. I have stories of JC's I "served" on. Served is a poor word choice. As chairman on a couple of them, I had to shut down lines of questioning that were very unnecessary and very intrusive, especially about sexual misconduct. The elders involved in those JCs hated when I was chair. It didnt happen often that I was, but our cases were better handled because I tried to give as much dignity to a very undignified arrangement as I could. It was those JCs that told me something was very f**ked up about the whole arrangement.

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  Whatever happened to the poster named V?

  by SnakesInTheTower in

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  i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

  anyone know what ever became of v?

  thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

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  CAN IT BE TRUE???? IS V REALLY BACK?!!!!

  there are two posts on his blog on Randy's Freeminds.org site dated February and March 2010

  http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/watchtower-comments/index.php

  Come in and say hi to us V......

  Snakes (Rich )
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  In most relationships the woman is better looking than the man

  by Quillsky in

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  this leaves ugly women as the most unlikely to find partners.. please discuss..

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  my fiancee is better looking than me for certain. when i first asked her out (nearly a year ago..wow), I thought she might be mid-30s. Turns out...she is in her mid 40s.... she looks great...she doesn't think so... but lately she is starting to see herself in a different light. now she says she is "all right." She works out and is trying, despite health problems, to get down to her goal weight. I keep telling her she looks great NOW.

  I am damn lucky that at (then) 42, I found my soul mate. I will be glad when we can finally get married. Meanwhile, neither of us is going anywhere...and she appreciates me for me... not because of being some JW-position-titled "brother." LOL

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  How the WTS hides its cash.....you may find this interesting

  by God_Delusion in

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  let me explain a little about what i do each day...... i work for a company that arranges trusts in the cook islands, turks & caicos, panama, etc.

  i know that blondie is against what i am about to say, but i do not just believe that the wts have a variety of trusts in various jurisdictions around the world......i am absolutely positive they do.. .

  i personally look after 14 trusts.

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  I don't think it would be all that easy. It would require alot of collusion. Just at the KH level there are 2 people required to collect the money and all of it is noted on receipts (with separate copies that have to be given to the secretary), and those receipts get double-checked when the accounts are auditted.

  If the R&F elders and MS follow WT procedure it would not be easy. I have written about this previously. I was secretary in a congo where the MS accounts servant was siphoning off part of the cash donations when he opened the boxes. Because the BOE was so lax about making sure a second person was there when the box was opened, it was easy for him. When I came to the congo and was (finally) reappointed as an elder....I started doing the audits...everyone else hated doing them...

  I did most of the audits during my time as secretary and there are tell tale signs, patterns if you will, when money goes missing...even cash. I started watching the kid (MS accounts servant) when he opened boxes...noticed the lack of a second person...second person only there during counting...

  ..when I brought this up, I was told "dont you trust him?" I said.... "Trust but verify....protects everyone from reproach". Questions were asked, the kid fessed up to taking cash for short term loans then returning the cash to the box when no one was looking...covering his personal bills..... which ironically was how I noticed the problem....in the audit I kept noticing past due charges on utility bills...and other bills being paid late.....

  red flags...

  I also knew the elder who was accounts overseer for the circuit..... one day I walked into his secular work office...noticed bookwork from the previous assembly on his desk...I asked him what was up...he said he was auditing the books.....hmmmmm...he is the overseer, collects the cash (along with the PO of his own congo).....and audits his own records..... bad idea....

  ..esp when his wife was stealing money from people she worked for secularly (I verified this from someone she stole from..they didnt press charges)....

  anyway...at least at the local level....where there is a will, there is a way...

  Snakes (Rich ...)
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  GROUP HUG!!!

  by snowbird in

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  anyone wanting or needing a hug, check in here!.

  quickly now, before the supplies run out!.

  sylvia.

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  sylvia

  group

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  Faders are indeed a large army...

  by undercover in

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  ...and i think it's starting to show.. i started a thread the other day about being hounded after several years of having successfully(?

  ) faded.

  i've been taken aback a bit the recent developments but i'm making a new strategy...one that depends more on sticking to my guns and laying the cards on the table.

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  I havent been a secretary since december 06 when i was deleted.

  cards are kept forever....or until you die and the secretary bothers to clear them out.... i went through the old archive box and threw out ...and shredded...over 100 cards of probably 40 or 50 different people.... once a card goes inactive (6 months)...it usually gets moved into a different part of the file box or flagged... ...easier for the co to find.....then after about a year or two (the publisher cards are 2 sided.. ...covers 2 service years).... depending on when the publisher goes inactive.... whether or not a new card is filled out.... if not...then the old card goes into the archive.... if the 2nd service year was nearly complete.....or if the publisher is still attending...then likely a new card is started...and another 2 years in the current file box.

  that is the way i did it...and the way most did it from what i could tell.... I was a bit picky...so my files were better organized... I didnt keep old cards cluttering up my current box...

  I am sure that I no longer appear in any congregations radar.

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-21-10 WT Study (SALVATION)

  by blondie in

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  http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com.

  http://www.jwsupportforum.com/index.php.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/.

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  blondie...sorry to hear your health is not the best.... doctors can be frustrating at best...maybe why it is said that doctors "practice" medicine...and we are the guinea pigs.... ...... hope all turns out well.... or at least "tolerable" as one old man I used to know would say...

  ....as to the article.... the WTBTS continues in its circular reasoning and hiding behind partial out of context quotations of sources that, if the rank and file knew where it came from... would be upset... presuming that many of the R&F actually read the study articles instead of just read and highlight....

  ...my mom believes that nonsense line "where else would I go?" when talking to me about why I left "The Truth®." It is, indeed, a thought stopping question for dubs....le sigh

  I could only read about half of your comments....your comments were excellent and well thought out....but I have gotten to the point that I really dont care about the bile issuing forth out of the sewers at Patterson. My JW mom refuses to discuss JW/religion/spirituality with me anymore...fine with me...but it limits her ability to have a conversation....

  take care of yourself blondie....

  Snakes (Rich )
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  New BOE letter on inactive ones

  by JWFreak in

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  again..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .

  november 3, 2009 .

  to all bodies of elders .

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  cl:

  I am not so sure that the elders you speak of are not vindictive enough to cause problems, if they choose to.

  sh*t doesn't stink if they don't stir it.... they leave me alone, I leave them alone. lol

  You did well by putting your card in a different location from where you live.

  I can hardly believe they left you alone

  the fade was purposefully planned. I ran across several elders in my town over the last week....apparently some think I am already married.. or that is what they have been told to think.... no one wants to touch me with a 10 foot pole, and I am glad....

  None of it really matters to me except I want to keep a good relationship with my kids. Otherwise, it is all a distant memory.

  exactly.... I dont even know the date of the Reject Jesus WT Infomercial this year...or the assemblies...or the convention...and dont want to know... I want a good relationship with my JW mom.... it is strained right now.... hope to rectify that in April.... glad you still have that with your kids...

  Snakes (Rich )
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  Finished Ex-Jehovah's Witness Survey (Please fill out for help with project)...

  by Tuesday in

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  hey everyone!.

  ) did you feel the religion was a cult before leaving?:.

  ) do you feel the religion is a cult now after leaving?:.

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  Ex-Jehovah’s Witness Survey

  A.) Name: Rich (SnakesInTheTower)

  B.) Gender

  Male

  C.) Age:

  41-45

  1.) How were you introduced to Jehovah's Witnesses:

  Parents converted when you were young and taught you

  2.) How did you leave the religion:

  Faded Away (slowly missed more and more meetings until you stopped going completely)

  3.) What Age did you leave?

  41-45

  4.) Were you Baptized

  Yes

  5.) What General reason did you leave the religion:

  Other (Explain: Didn't believe the teachings combined with the hypocrisy of the leadership)

  6.) How did you feel about the doctrine before leaving:

  Believed there we more things wrong than right

  7.) Did your feelings about the doctrine effect the way you left?

  Yes

  8.) If you were disfellowshipped for sin, did your feelings on the doctrine effect you sinning in the first place?

  9.) Did you feel the religion was a cult before leaving?:

  I saw a few similarities between the religion and a cult

  10.) Did you research the religion's teachings after leaving?

  Yes

  11.) What are your feelings on the doctrine of the religion since leaving?

  They are totally wrong

  12.) How do you feel about the organization since leaving?:

  They are Totally wrong

  They are evil

  13.) How do you feel about the people since leaving?:

  They are misguided people and I feel sorry for them

  14.) Do you feel the religion is a cult now after leaving?:

  Yes they are definitely a cult

  15.) What is your opinion on the intelligence of those still in the Organization? :

  They're intelligent but purposely deny facts for their religion

  16.) Are you happier now that you’re gone?

  I think every day about how happy I am to have left

  17.) Do you feel that other than the fact you left the Jehovah’s Witnesses that they would agree with how you live your life?

  They would not agree with anything I do now

  18.) If a Jehovah’s Witness approaches you to discuss their religion you’re more than likely do the following:

  Tell them I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and feel they’re wrong

  19.) Would you consider returning?

  If I ever see another Kingdom Hall it would be too soon

  20.) How do you feel about discussing your time as a Jehovah's Witness?:

  I’ll only talk about it with certain people who understand the circumstances

  Snakes (Rich )

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