Posts by SnakesInTheTower

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One of my nephews passed away this evening

by mimimimi in

he was 23 years old.

he was depressed and took his own life.

no one had any idea he was contemplating something like this.

SnakesInTheTower

Snoozy:

Snakes and donuthole, is that for real? That's just sick if it is!

absolutely. DH nailed the explanation. And it is sick.

DH and I were eyewitnesses of this informal/unspoken code in that particular congo. We were both in the same congo as mimi's nephew before DH was DF and I was deleted as an elder and left. I don't think I am revealing anything that DH and I have not already revealed online here and elsewhere.

At first, I was afraid that by bringing up the "A B C" thing, that I was derailing the thread. In reality, it likely, at least in part, goes to the heart of why mimi's nephew was depressed. He never really fit into the congo. He was quiet and often walked around the KH with his head held down. He did not look people in the eye often, at least in my interactions with him. However, I worked in FS with him and his brother and mother and grandmother regularly. I enjoyed his company and found him to be highly intelligent and a decent kid -- young man I should say. It was very difficult to get him to open up and talk. In my opinion, I think he got baptized to try to win the approval of his mother and the elders (including myself) and those around him. That is myopinion based on my observations. Maybe I am wrong. It has been 4 years since I seen him.

Such a sad ending to a life that -- with proper nurturing and not JW "Encouragement™" -- who knows what great things this young man could have accomplished.

Snakes (Rich )

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One of my nephews passed away this evening

by mimimimi in

he was 23 years old.

he was depressed and took his own life.

no one had any idea he was contemplating something like this.

SnakesInTheTower

mimi...

I was shocked when you called me last night and told me what happened to your nephew. I am truly very sorry to hear this happened.

Of course, I was an elder in his KH when he was younger. Sad to say, I "encouraged™" him toward baptism because of a conversation I had with him one summer at the DC. Shortly afterward, his mom (your sister) and grandma (your mom) came to me at the KH and told me how happy they were because of R making his decision to get baptized as a result of the DC and my "kind conversation" with him. In reality, he and his family were always on the C list (not even the A or B social lists) at the KH. That family was always marginalized and it made me sick as an elder to see it. His mom and grandma are still marginalized by the new regime of elders at that congo.

Additional thread about this topic: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/204547/1/J-dub-elders-throwing-a-wrench-in-funeral-services-for-my-nephew

Though of course suicide is horrible both for the victim and the family, I hope he now has the peace that he was never allowed in his family and at the congo and that I believe he so desperately sought. We will never truly know what was going through his mind in the moment he made the fatal decision. I hope this wakes up his mom and grandma.

R was a fine young man and I was honored to have known him.

Snakes (Rich )

131

Window Washers

by dontplaceliterature in

question:.

why do i see so frequently the witnesses referred to as "window washers" on here?

i have been a witness (though only recently "conscious") for my whole life.

SnakesInTheTower

I hope farkel changes his mind regarding posting the rest of his story. Based on his long posting history, I have the utmost respect for Farkel - though I have not had the privilege of meeting him personally or talking to him on the phone.

I wish that the person(s) attacking farkel would go away. But I do not run this forum. I am a mere guest here. I wish the attackers would remember that they, too, are merely guests.

Snakes (Rich .. of the "formerly a window washer" Sheep Class)

44

I'm going to end my "bible" study

by KristiKay in

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i posted a while back, i've been studying with a nice jehovas witness lady for probably about 6 months.

after a few weeks i googled a few things (earthquakes, how long we've been on earth, ect.

) i realised she was very misinformed.

SnakesInTheTower

kristi

welcome to the board. Of course, now that you are dumping the witnesses, you have no reason to be here. Kidding, of course.

I was deep in the witnesses before I left 4 years ago. I come here now for the social interactions about non-dub things and only occasionally comment on JW things. So I hope you stay around and share your regular life.

I keep in mind that my JW mom is deep into this cult. She lives in the south now (Alabama) and, now that she is retired, goes door-to-door constantly, much to the dismay of her non-JW husband (my stepdad). For my mom, she believes the Witnesses to be "The Truth™" even with her doubts about the Organization itself. She keeps "Waiting on Jehovah®" (a phrase the JWs like to toss around when they can't explain bad behavior within their ranks) to fix the problems within the cult. She has "Bible" studies with people like yourself. For many of them, it is a social call, especially the elderly women she studies with -- my mom is a breath of fresh air and is truly kind and thinks she is doing what is right. But these people (her "return visits" and "Bible Studies") are never going to become Witnesses.

So just be nice to your JW visitor. I am sure you will. She could be my mom. They are someone's mom.

Snakes (Rich )

ps.... shred the literature and recycle it -- don't throw it away. Landfills are full enough as it is. lol

pss... ignore OBVES -- they provide comic relief (**insert gag smiley**).... I like your response to him/her -- weird that poster is popping up again.

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Officially banned at JWS, a big laugh!

by JRK in

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just ask me in pm's the details!

the fat arse can't take the heat, or any measure of exercise.

i wish amama2six still owned that board.

SnakesInTheTower

JK.... welcome back....

I wish amama2six still owned that board.

what is happening over there? A26 and MM don't own the board anymore? I rarely post or read there anymore so I am out of the loop -- much like how much I keep up with the j'dubs. If it doesn't get posted here, I don't hear. PM if posting it here would cause issues.

Snakes (Rich )

55

Repost: My Two Week Consulting Trip to Bethel

by Hunyadi in

since half of them ended up at my house on friday and saturday nights i was given a very shining report card.

he then told me that he would knock on my door bright and early in the morning to take me to breakfast with him and his wife.

a couple of them told they enjoy the articles i write in the art magazines and they were really happy to meet me.

SnakesInTheTower

marking for later .. I think I started to read this before. so far interesting and not surprising. When I temped at bethel in 80s (brooklyn) and 90s (wallkill) I seen some crazy $hit. Nothing like this though.

Snakes (Rich )

139

Some observations from the KM Elder School I wanted to share with you.

by miseryloveselders in

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my school was a couple weeks back, and it was interesting to a degree.

to be honest with you, it reminded me of a police crime scene investigation with yellow tape.

what i mean is, in one respect it was business as usual.

SnakesInTheTower

Nothing new under the sun... **Gag**

Snakes (Rich )

ps... to oppostate:

School at Holyoke Kingdom Hall in Mass

interesting... we will be in Holyoke this May for my fiancee for her daughter's graduation. Never been to Mass. before. We might fly into Providence since I have a HS friend in New Bedford. Any suggestions for hotels in the area?

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WT Society's Paranoia Over Spiral Binding of Elder's Textbook - Crazy

by flipper in

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this letter was sent as an addendum to the elders regarding their latest elders textbook.

i think you'll find this interesting and also disconcerting as well.. to all bodies of elders.

re: spiral binding of shepherding textbook.

SnakesInTheTower

flipper...

when I read this subject line, I thought for certain the WTBTS fools were going to ban the rebinding. I mean, an elder couldn't hide the fact that he had this done. Maybe a bunch of them did (I am presuming that these are softcover not hardcover) and that the books are going to fall apart quickly. First time an elder shows up at a meeting with it rebound, all the elders and the CO knows.

Know my next thought about this letter? I no longer care. Progress. Very little in WTLand matters to me and what little does is only because of my JW mom. Even that is a mere blip on my life radar.

Snakes (Rich )

p.s. Happy New Year to you and Mrs. Flipper. Long time no talk to.

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New resolution passed at last service meeting? crazy!!

by finallyfree! in

so my ex who has gone back to the wts and is being given the tough love and is questioning whether shes makin the right move.

she told me at the last service meeting that there was a resolution passed that stated that all leftover balances in the congregations accounts would be sent to the society to be used where the need is great, to help out with natural disasters etc and that the funds would be sent back to the congregation if they needed it.. has anyone else who is still in or knows active witnesses heard of this new resolution?

apparently its everywhere in canada as far as i was told .. .

SnakesInTheTower

The way the accounts paperwork is kept in most congregations, and the way resolutions are filed -- or not filed -- it does not take long for people to forget that the money was ever sent to the Society in the first place. Anyone ever seen the inside of most congregation's filing system? Dear God FSM.

No, except for the elders, and even most of those forget after a time -- and maybe a couple of the large donors (usually elderly) that get bent out of shape for their money going to Brooklyn Walkill Patterson (oh wait, Rampau or wherever the hell their new compound is moving), no one remembers that the money ever existed. Back in my old KH (Death Valley Wood River) Except for one old sister that used to write down everything in the accounts when it was read, no one paid attention. (A***, you still doing that dear? After the UN debacle, you are on this site, ain't ya? LOL)

Snakes (Rich )

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WTBTS Elder & Ministerial Servant Problems

by JW GoneBad in

i attended a recent ministerial servant k m school on the east coast and the main school instructor mentioned among other things (part entitled: 'objective of the km school course') that the total number of ministerial servants is seriously less than it should be.

in times past the ratio of m ss to elders was much more than it is today.. in the u.s. apparently the total number of elders is 88,500+ as opposed to m ss 65,000. the numbers show & numbers don't lie: the society is running out of spiritual men.

the instructor stated that this is a new downward trend that has (in so many words) the society worried.. the next speaker (part entitled: 'why we must be spiritual men') added that in his years as a traveling servant the pool of m ss has always been much, much larger than it is today.

SnakesInTheTower

I do not think I was such a great elder. I fall into the stats of men not reaching out again. They lost me too. I was 40 when I was deleted as an elder and left the Organization completely 9 months later after transferring to another KH and circuit and state. I faded away and I am now 44.

I was a regular pioneer and a graduate of MTS (Ministerial Training School -- 62nd US Class - 2002 --- take that Bethel). I used to pick up the slack of the MSs and elders in our KH by taking on extra assignments and parts and talks. It was difficult to get MSs especially to do any more than they had to do. So when I left, I wonder who picked up the slack?

Oh, that's right, this reminds me of something I once heard while temping at Bethel: "How much do you matter? Put your finger in a cup of water, remove your finger, the hole that is left is all that you really mattered. Jehovah can and will replace you immediately." Looks like that water is turning to jelly.

After I had to leave my MTS assignment after only a few months because of health issues (OK... I quickly tired of the lack of support in the assignment truth be told), WTBTS dropped me like a hot potato. I got very few parts on assemblies and those were minor. If you are not a company man all the way, the will not have much to do with you.

On the one hand, I am glad to see this situation occurring. On the other hand, I really don't give a $hit.

Snakes (Rich )