Posts by SnakesInTheTower

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I gave the elders some ammo to use

by atacrossroads in

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i was having dinner at olive garden with my cousin who was disfellowshipped for apostacy.

a holier than thou pioneer couple saw us.

if that was not enough i saw her take a picture of me with my cousin.

SnakesInTheTower

yeah, your first mistake is eating at Olive Garden....... yuck.... just kidding...

If I was minding my own business eating at any restaurant and anyone took my picture, all hell would break loose.I hate phones at dinner tables anyway. Now with everyone having a camera, there is no privacy anywhere.

If the elders come after you in a serious way, tell them you were Photoshopped into the pictures.

As another poster often signs off with .... let's review: It's a cult.

Snakes (Rich ... of the "no more Kodak moments" Sheep Class)

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Brooklyn Bethel Tours Through The Roof

by freemindfade in

was speaking with someone last night who just recently toured the us bethel's.

the brooklyn tour i heard was awful, very limited and disappointing and conducted by a local pioneer and not even a bethelite.

well from what they are telling the folks on the tour since the tm3 bit encouraging (guilting) people about going to disneyland on vacation when you haven't visited bethel, monthly tours went from 6000 to 16000!

SnakesInTheTower

The bethel tours used to be pretty good, esp. if you knew someone. I ran a bus tour in 91 and patterson was under construction. We had fun, but I allowed my tour group to have fun, go out and do non WT tours on their own, real free time, kept the bus/hotel inexpensive. But I knew brothers that ran "professional" tours (Gary Potter in Illinois anyone?), that were all WT and very regimented.

I have heard the Walkill tour sucks now, not much "Farming" going on at the Wstchtower "Farm" anymore. Sad.

Snakes

18

Hello!

by josephus in

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i haven't been around in some time, i used to post under the name "josephus" many years ago back when the late great farkel.

i have returned recently and have a youtube channel called "thegreatapostate!

i am very pleased with it and hope you'll have a look.

SnakesInTheTower

Or a link to jwfacts or jwsurvey?

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Hello!

by josephus in

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i haven't been around in some time, i used to post under the name "josephus" many years ago back when the late great farkel.

i have returned recently and have a youtube channel called "thegreatapostate!

i am very pleased with it and hope you'll have a look.

SnakesInTheTower

http://www.signsonthecheap.com/

I priced 100 corrugated single sided single color plastic signs @ $119 with tax. I would love to plant about a dozen in the easement along the street on the OPPOSITE side of the street from my old KH.

LOL

Snakes

Plus another $78 for 100 stakes...gofund me anyone?

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Where are they now? Long, lost JWs

by Bro-jo in

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if it has not already been done, i would like to introduce a new topic.

for me, i would like to know the whereabouts and what's up with some of my former friends and acquaintances.

to start: some folks i used to be close to at cape cod mass: bob and pam fragosa , dick and valerie davis, charles harutunian (sic).

SnakesInTheTower

I was wondering about Dick and Jan Baker. They were special pioneers in Alaska in 1970, when my they studied with my mom. My JW mom says she thinks they are in Arizona now.

Other family was the Browns, from North St. Louis, MO county, moved to West Lafayette, Indiana. Floyd Sr. and Dena were the parents. Floyd Jr., Jeremy, Julian, and I think ggey had a girl or two. My JW dad, now deceased, went to elder school with Sr. Jeremy would probably be my age, 48-49 now.

Snakes (rich, of the "Definitely NOT a JW Anymore" Sheep Class)

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If Jehovah's Witnesses were a cereal, what would they be?

by Zoos in

cult flakes?.

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(welcome to the height of intellectual thread topics.

SnakesInTheTower

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_breakfast_cereals

Have fun.

Snakes

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TTATT is a process, and it’s going to take time. There are no Short-Cuts.

by John Aquila in

i talked to a close friend that served with me as an elder for a few years.

he allowed me about an hour to explain why 607 is not the correct date for the destruction of ancient jerusalem.

i showed him all the scriptures needed and i showed him the wt magazines that proved it.

SnakesInTheTower

I cannot subject my 72 year old JW mom to TTATT anymore. 8 years ago, when I was fresh out of JWWorld, she overheard me tell my never-a-dub stepfather that WT was a cult, this while vacationing together in the Caymans (a real paradise). I don't think, even today, my mom got over that. This is why I don't make any overt waves now, to spare her feelings. I don't hide, I'm in plain sight.

Unlikely my mom will leave JWWorld, if she did what would she do for friends this late in life? She lives in a tiny southern town. I worry about her.

Snakes (Rich)

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Please change my username, Simon =)

by Divergent in

hi simon, sorry to disturb, but i would appreciate it very much if you could kindly change my username for me - from just kidding to divergent.

i've decided to change my username because i'm not the same person i was when i first joined this site.

back then, a part of me still believed, and i thought that if my doubts were wrong and the religion actually turns out to be true and i posted negative stuff here... hey, i was only just kidding!!!.

SnakesInTheTower

Way back 9 years ago I signed up and must have been tired, because my user name was sankes instead of snakesinthetower. A typo, thankfully Simon had mercy. However, I can see where these requests could be time consuming.

Snakesinthetower (Rich)

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Where are they now? - Paul Illingworth

by Black Man in

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anyone know whatever happened to former do paul illingworth?

he was teaching mts school for many years, but heard that he got out of the do work (before they got rid of the arrangement).

he was super intelligent and one of the "nicer" company men that i came across during my time in the borg.

SnakesInTheTower

Paul Illingworth was my MTS instructor in 2002. I genuinely liked him and I think he tried to get me out of my bad congregation. Lost track of him. I left the Borg in 2007, so I no longer have the access to the heavies that I used to.

Snakes

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All It Takes Is ONE!

by John Aquila in

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ive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..

and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.

what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.

SnakesInTheTower

I know of many couples around my JW mom's age (72) that are childless and worked stupid non-career jobs to "do more" in the Org. One in particular just lost her husband (who spent time in prison as a conscientious objector in the U.S. because of the JWs) after a surgery that at first seemed fine but then died a couple of days later, right after the Memorial. They had already been forced to move from their tiny house (rent or owned? dunno) because of poor health, but at least they had their cats at the house. When they moved into subsidized senior housing, the deposit and increased rent for even one of the cats was too much. They had to give away those they could and put down (i.e., kill) the older/sicker ones.

Now she has no cats, no husband, limited income, and a decreasing number of friends still in the Witnesses. Many have died, moved away, or even just left. Just sad. I wonder what happens to my JW mom when her non-JW husband (my stepfather, whose health is poor) dies? Hope her non-JW husband was smart enough to sock money away, because my mom has none.

Personal responsibility I agree. But when one is outright lied to by others (elders, GB, allegedly God) one trusts, some of that responsibility is shifted to the liars. But only the one lied to is left holding the bag, not the liars.

Snakes (Rich)