Posts by FusionTheism

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need clarification: i told my wife the type and anti-type abolishment made the FDS a parable and not factual. boy did this piss her off

by goingthruthemotions in

let's just say i sometimes don't know how to keep my trap shut.

i really need to learn to keep well enough alone when she attacks me.

keep in mind i never start the fights about the borg.

FusionTheism

I would recommend just agreeing to disagree. Talk about any other subjects, but don't bring up religion unless absolutely necessary.

Either that or get a divorce.

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607 B.C. controversy

by FusionTheism in

i'm not sure the whole 607 b.c.e.

controversy is really that major of a deal.. even if the society admits it and changes it, that's only a difference of 20-21 years, so the governing body could just shift 1914 to 1934-1935 and say that world war ii and hitler was the beginning of the signs.. a much bigger issue is why they even say daniel's tree prophecy has an antitypical fulfillment, especially after their new light on types and antitypes..

FusionTheism

I'm not sure the whole 607 B.C.E. controversy is really that major of a deal.

Even if the Society admits it and changes it, that's only a difference of 20-21 years, so the Governing Body could just shift 1914 to 1934-1935 and say that World War II and Hitler was the beginning of the signs.

A much bigger issue is why they even say Daniel's Tree Prophecy has an Antitypical Fulfillment, especially after their New Light on Types and Antitypes.

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Carefully Examine the Scriptures like the Beroean

by FusionTheism in

these quotes might come in handy for some of you in certain situations:.

bearing witness (acts) book, pages 137-138:.

16 though the beroeans were hearing something new, they were not suspicious or harshly critical; neither were they gullible.

FusionTheism

These quotes might come in handy for some of you in certain situations:

Bearing Witness (Acts) Book, Pages 137-138:

16 Though the Beroeans were hearing something new, they were not suspicious or harshly critical; neither were they gullible. First, they listened carefully to what Paul had to say. Then, they verified what they had learned by turning to the Scriptures, which Paul had opened up to their understanding. Moreover, they diligently studied the Word of God, not just on the Sabbath, but daily. And they did so with great “eagerness of mind,” devoting themselves to finding out what the Scriptures revealed in light of this new teaching. Then, they proved humble enough to make changes, for “many of them became believers.” (Acts 17:12) No wonder Luke describes them as “noble-minded”!

17 Little did those Beroeans realize that the record of their reaction to the good news would be preserved in God’s Word as a shining example of spiritual noble-mindedness. They did precisely what Paul had hoped they would do and what Jehovah God wanted them to do. Likewise, it is what we encourage people to do—to examine the Bible carefully so that their faith is solidly based on God’s Word. After we become believers, though, does the need to be noble-minded come to an end? On the contrary, it becomes ever more important that we be eager to learn from Jehovah and quick to apply his teachings. In that way, we allow Jehovah to mold us and train us according to his will. (Isa. 64:8) We thus remain useful and fully pleasing to our heavenly Father.

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Awake!, March 2008, Pages 8-9:

Some first-century residents of Beroea were commended by the apostle Paul for the way they responded when he taught them. They did not immediately accept what Paul said as truth; still, they listened respectfully. We can learn from what the Beroeans did after hearing the message.

Note that the Bible explains: “Now the [Beroeans] were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. Therefore many of them became believers.” (Acts 17:10-12) So their search was not superficial. They did not expect conclusive results in just one or two brief discussions with Paul.

Observe also that the Beroeans “received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind.” This tells us something about the attitude with which they approached their study of the Scriptures. They were not gullible, but neither were they cynical. They did not have a critical attitude toward what was explained by Paul, who was one of God’s human representatives.

Consider this too: The Beroeans were hearing about Christianity for the first time. It sounded good, perhaps too good to be true. But rather than dismiss it, they carefully examined the Scriptures, checking to see ‘whether the things Paul was saying were so.’ Note, too, that those in both Beroea and Thessalonica who made such a diligent search became believers. (Acts 17:4, 12) They did not give up and conclude that truth cannot be found. They identified the true religion.

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Watchtower, July 1, 2005, Page 5:

The apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.” (2 Timothy 3:16) Paul’s words harmonize with those of Jesus, who said in prayer to God: “Your word is truth.” Today, we know that Word as the Holy Bible, and we are wise to check that our beliefs and standards measure up to it.—John 17:17.

By comparing our beliefs with God’s Word, we imitate the people of ancient Beroea, who made sure that Paul’s teachings harmonized with the Scriptures. Rather than criticize the Beroeans, Luke commended them for their attitude. They “received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind,” he wrote, “carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:11) In view of the contradictory religious and moral teachings that abound today, it is important that we imitate the example of the noble-minded Beroeans.

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Watchtower, October 1, 2014, Page 8:

You are wise to be cautious instead of believing everything you hear. (Proverbs 14:15) In some ways, your caution could be compared to that of the ancient Beroeans.* When they were first told about the good news of the Kingdom, the Beroeans accepted what they heard, but not simply because they wanted it to be true. Rather, they carefully examined the Scriptures “to see whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:11) In other words, the Beroeans compared the good news that they heard with what the Scriptures say. In time, they became convinced that the good news was in fact solidly based on God’s Word.

Jehovah’s Witnesses warmly invite you to do the same. By means of our free Bible study program, we offer you the opportunity to compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe about God’s Kingdom with what the Bible teaches.

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The Crappy piano music Replacement has begun

by 1tMakesNoSence in

im typing this while i'm sitting on the toilet in the kingdom hall to just skip a few seconds of the mumbling.

they read a letter just now they have started to replace the kingdom melodies with the orchestral versions.

all and all to make it look and sound better to the people outside.. id have to say though, that piano music sucks measuring up to church music.

FusionTheism

Oh have you guys checked out that one new song, don't remember the name... One of the three newest, that sounds almost just like the theme of Jurassic Park

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The Crappy piano music Replacement has begun

by 1tMakesNoSence in

im typing this while i'm sitting on the toilet in the kingdom hall to just skip a few seconds of the mumbling.

they read a letter just now they have started to replace the kingdom melodies with the orchestral versions.

all and all to make it look and sound better to the people outside.. id have to say though, that piano music sucks measuring up to church music.

FusionTheism

Ahh, Hell yes! I could go for some JW Beatles tunes.

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The Great Slurping Controversy of 2002

by FusionTheism in

jw
friends

just found this on the jw site.

thought i should share:.

awake!, january 22, 2002, pages 28-29:.

FusionTheism

Just found this on the JW site. Thought I should share:

Awake!, January 22, 2002, Pages 28-29:

Slurping Controversy

To slurp or not to slurp, that is the question—at least for customers at Japan’s popular noodle soup restaurants. Many middle-aged and older Japanese feel that the long noodles actually taste better if slurped along with the broth and while still hot. They consider loud slurping to be normal and a way to show that one really enjoys the meal. But a newer generation of Japanese has a different point of view regarding noodle etiquette. The Japan Times reports: “Younger Japanese are more concerned not to dribble the soup onto their silk ties and [designer] dresses. Reared on Western manners and a more Western diet, they are likely to be offended when those around them slurp.” This slurping issue has become part of Japan’s generation gap, causing some older ones to be self-conscious about breaking the silence when eating noodles in public. Taking sides with the older generation, a major Japanese newspaper lamented: “It’ll be a truly lonely feeling when nobody makes any slurping noises any more.”

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"This Generation"-- New Light AGAIN

by FusionTheism in

new "jesus--the way" book, pages 258-259: .

"truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.matthew 24:32-34. thus, when his disciples see the many different features of the sign being fulfilled, they should realize that the end is near.".

so now "this generation" is simply the disciples who see all the many different features of the sign?.

FusionTheism

The "Examining the Scriptures 2015" ("Daily Text") for October 28 may come back to haunt them lol:

"Wednesday, October 28

This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.—Matt. 24:34.

We understand that in mentioning “thisgeneration,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The first group discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in 1914. They were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year. (Rom. 8:14-17) The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. Today, Jesus’ words give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13. w14 1/15 5:15, 16"

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"This Generation"-- New Light AGAIN

by FusionTheism in

new "jesus--the way" book, pages 258-259: .

"truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.matthew 24:32-34. thus, when his disciples see the many different features of the sign being fulfilled, they should realize that the end is near.".

so now "this generation" is simply the disciples who see all the many different features of the sign?.

FusionTheism

Cappytan,

That makes a lot of sense. They may feel that it is "too soon" to put out a whole new Watchtower article changing it.

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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FusionTheism

I do want to add something interesting.

When I was young (in the 80's), my parents and others in the Congregation would often say that the absolute oldest that the "Generation of 1914" could live to, would be 120.

So they did have 2034 in their minds as the absolute, final deadline in the 80's.

But that view of the Generation was done away with in 1995.

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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FusionTheism

To me, it looks like the Governing Body is going in the total opposite direction of date-setting.

They are now gradually trying to completely distance themselves from the Generation, and from 1918, 1919, eventually 1914.

Their new August Watchtower even declares that the Tribulation could be in some "future time period."