working in retail management is a never ending adventure.
you never know what is lurking around the next corner.
such was the case about six months ago when my boss asked me to stay over on a sunday night to watch the store while a floor cleaning crew did a strip and wax.. now with my self being a former jehovah's witness, i already knew that a great deal of the jw's owned and operated their own floor cleaning buisnesses, and there was a good chance that the floor crew on that sunday night would more than likely be a jw operation.. when the guys first walked in, i just had a feeling that my hunch was right.
Thanks for the explanation, Ex!
I admire that! Sorry you ran into that! I call myself the Mad Witness (also the Mad Artist; my profession: www.madartist.50megs.com), because I don't go along with everything, and I find better ways to do things! I'm always shocking people...I don't TRY to!
Mad
the latest from brooklyn ( my mate in upper management ) i thought id share.. .
the watchtower is remaining bi monthly.
instead of both monthly offerings sharing same formats there is a change coming into action soon.
I have a simple agenda; to learn as much as possible about God, to share it- and to destroy deception when I can! I'm learning a great deal here- and have been encouraged by the spirit a lot of you show! I'm also having fun playing the Mind Games a lot are involved in! I am not, by ANY means, a typical JW- I love my God and my King, yet have mixed feelings about my brotherhood's organization: I see them do so much good- then see some pretty stupid things done & said!
Mad
the bible says that the truth will liberate you or set you free.. the watchtower applies this to their religion as if their "truth" sets people free.. if that's the case, how were you set free when you became a jw?.
Wow, Confession! Beautifully put! I guess since I am always looking at the Good in people, I'm often blinded to the Bad...However, when I think of all the wonderful brothers and sisters young to very old that I've known and worked with, it's been very rare when I have encountered the hypocrites you imply exist everywhere in my Brotherhood! I have run into many that chuckle at the nonsense I occaisionally find when prophecies are discussed, and they confide that they are looking at it as I do; silly imaginations.
Most have been inspiring, many just encouraging...and then SOME are as you describe!
I know little about the GB- and have no interest, as long as they help me & others in the preaching work! They, as every individual, will have to answer for any sin on their part!
Mad
if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
Vinny wrote: "You are truly to be commended Mad! I read your replies to my questions. Out of the thousands of JW's that have been presented with these, only TWO have answered correctly. THERE IS NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT FOR THESE ANYWHERE.
You are on the right road THEN. Stay open-minded and respectful for as long as this process takes you.
The next question then is; what do these obvioulsy mistaken policies say about the source of such policies? I don't care! I focus on scripture.
Would the Grand Creator of the Universe choose to use such an organization that has made continuous mistakes as His One and ONLY group of people on earth today? He did with Israel! His only other option is to send angels down and organize them- but even THEY get screwed up, and even rebel at times!
Would it be reasonable for thinking persons to question such an organization based on that organization's history as well as current list of mistaken views? Of course! What's wrong with that?
I will start a new thread later on for yourself and any other current JW's that wish to express themselves.
Your open-minded spirit is a welcomed change from most JW's that come here. Not that you are conceding anything at this time, I acknowledge that. But an open, honest mind is the only mind that will find what the real truth is... whatever that may be... LOLOLO! So true! Whattaya mean by "you are conceding anything at this time"? Seems like I'm doing a LOT of conceding!
I'll get back in a few hours.
All the best,
Vinny Thank you, Vinny; it's encouraging to talk to you! Agape, Mad
if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
Nark wrote: "Good boy." (Do I get a bone?)
Now explain to me why the NW translators assume that all copies in all areas were corrupt, as regards the divine name? that none of them represents the original text, since all use kurios, never Yhwh?
Never???? There were some that had the Hebrew Tetagrammaton. However, there was no equivalent of the name in Greek- and shortly after the apostles died, the Trinitarians arose.
Read Romans chapter 10 in any Bible except the NWT; try to understand what point Paul is trying to make, and how the quotation of Joel in v. 13 serves his argument. When you get it, switch to the NWT and see what happens.What did you see "excercis faith" instead of "believe"? "Jehovah" instead of "LORD"? It seems the same to me- just easier to understand.
Hmm.. my point was about "Jehovah".
Joel USED the Divine Name. Since Paul, who was a Jew and spoke Hebrew, used the name- and certainly would not corrupt Joel's words,was referring to it- maybe using "Kurios" instead, since there was no Greek pronounciation of it at that time! My guess is you're implying Jesus WAS Jehovah- and that the name "Jesus" replaced it. Correct?
But here you didn't play the game. Let's break it down. First tell me what function v. 13 (the quotation of Joel) plays in the whole argument. Notice it is introduced by gar, "for, because".
Read Romans chapter 10 in any Bible except the NWT; try to understand what point Paul is trying to make, and how the quotation of Joel in v. 13 serves his argument. When you get it, switch to the NWT and see what happens.What did you see "excercis faith" instead of "believe"? "Jehovah" instead of "LORD"? It seems the same to me- just easier to understand.
You LOST me there, Nark!
if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
Jgnet wrote:"Jesus did not write ANY epistles. He spoke all his sermons in the language of the day. All we have today is transcriptions from his disciples. Hence, no Hebrew. Hence, Jesus never spoke "Jehovah" aloud." The Jews, even though speaking the language of whatever land they live in-as tody- in general, still sopke Hebrew. When Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah at the temple, it was likely in Hebrew- and to think HE wouldn't honor nor use the Name of his God & Father is ludicrous. Also, to think Jesus- who condemned their ridiculous traditions- would follow them by NOT using the Name- is EQUALLY so!
Before we get down to doctrine, let's get the source straight. The OLDEST early Christian manuscripts DID NOT use "Jehovah" in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Why didn't the WTBTS use those? Which manuscripts are these? In any event, if some earlier than the end of the 1st and 2nd century of Christ left the name out, there were those that HAD it in Hebrew in the Greek text. The Septugiant (sp?) was an early translation of the 'Old Testament' into Greek- it DID the same; YHWH in Hebrew! The Last Apostle (John) said that many antichrists were ALREADY twisting the truth- and that many more were coming; what antichrist will EVER honor the One who sent Christ forth- especially His Name?
Mad
if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
Just a question and a suggestion for a start:
Do you think the New Testament texts were accurately transmitted? (yes or no, why and how). Yes, so many copies were carefully made , spreading to different lands, that additions are quickly seen- since they were only in a few in a certain area. Scholars also have many techniques to discern additions- such as differences in inks & hand-writing.
Read Romans chapter 10 in any Bible except the NWT; try to understand what point Paul is trying to make, and how the quotation of Joel in v. 13 serves his argument. When you get it, switch to the NWT and see what happens.What did you see "excercis faith" instead of "believe"? "Jehovah" instead of "LORD"? It seems the same to me- just easier to understand.
Mad
if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
Very good, Newbie! I'll give my 5 cents after each of yer questions! You wrote: Here are just a few questions for you Mr. Mad:
1- Where do you find the "scriptural principle", to post in writing, 11 end of the world predictions? (None of which came true by the way). None; human stupidity!
2- Where is the "scriptural principle" that supports disfellowshipping and shunning a christian for disagreeing with current WT teachings? None; human stupidity!
3- Where was the "scriptural principle" ever said that Organ Transplants were unacceptable for Christians and viewed as "cannibalism" as the society taught? None; human stupidity!
4- Where was the "scriptural principle" for not allowing Vaccinations for 21 years? None; human stupidity!
5- Please show me the "scriptural principle" that disallowed "Alternative Service" for 50 years. Please comment on why tens of thousands of brothers had to go to prison for such a policy that was finally made a conscience matter, without any apologies? None; human stupidity- and the 'Lemming Mentality' of those that blindly follow men!
6- Please show us the scriptural principle that supports today's WT policies prohibiting blood transfusions completely, allowing certain blood fractions, not allowing other smaller more vital fractions, not storing your own blood (since mosaic law was done away with), allowing JW's to dip into the world's blood supply by accepting fractions, but not be allowed to put back into that very same supply they can take from? I'm not even sure of the 'current policy'! I simply will not ever take anything with blood- obeying the command of Holy Spirit!
7- Please show us the scriptural principle where those that simply walk away from the WT faith, without sinning, have to be shunned and labeled? None; human stupidity!
This will just get you started. Let's see how good you are. Looking forward to your detailed replies! Agape, Mad
anyone ever wonder why ...if there is no hell and we are not going to burn etc etc because god is a loving god......why do we bother because w'all going to die and we are not going to be observing the righteous jw's enjoying through a glass window while we are suffering on the other side......just wondering?
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the latest from brooklyn ( my mate in upper management ) i thought id share.. .
the watchtower is remaining bi monthly.
instead of both monthly offerings sharing same formats there is a change coming into action soon.
