LtCMD wrote: "I cannot prove that god does not exist. But I'm pretty sure you can't prove fairies exist."
Mad writes: I CAN prove God exists! Interested?
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104If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Anti-Christ lists examples of what he feels are contradictions:
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.Light comes from MANY more sources than just our tiny sun! God was using a different source.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.No vegetation in the area He was about to form man-he formed a garden with plants that would serve as food.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.Not said at ALL- just shows he was adding to the animal kingdom after Creating Adam.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.I wish you wouldn't cut & paste all this nonsense; it's just a game from whatever book you copied this from. Genesis 1:26 & 7 was a brief statement to show what Day they were created, the 2nd chapter giving the details.
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.Psalm 97:10 sums this up- Love what is Good, HATE what is Bad. God gets very angry at the Wicked- especially when they harm others.
GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.Another game: you may be righteous compared to a mass-murderer, but you are not righteous compared to our Maker.
I'll try to get to these later- but if the above are any examples- they will be as twisted.... Mad
GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.EX 21:23-25, LE 24:20, DT 19:21 A life for a life, an eye for an eye, etc.
MT 5:38-44, LK 6:27-29 Turn the other cheek. Love your enemies.EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
1KI 22:21-23 God condones a spirit of deception.LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.
MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
JB 2:7 Satan inflicts sickness.NU 33:38 Aaron died on Mt. Hor.
DT 10:6 Aaron died in Mosera.DT 24:1-5 A man can divorce his wife simply because she displeases him and both he and his wife can remarry.
MK 10:2-12 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.JG 4:21 Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him.
JG 5:25-27 Sisera was standing.2SA 24:10-17 David sinned in taking the census.
1KI 15:5 David's only sin (ever) was in regard to another matter.MT 1:16 Jacob was Joseph's father.
LK 3:23 Heli was Joseph's father.MT 2:13-16 Following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt, (where they stay until after Herod's death) in order to avoid the murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughters all male infants two years old and under. (Note: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, though under two is somehow spared without fleeing to Egypt.)
LK 2:22-40 Following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remain in the area of Jerusalem for the Presentation (about forty days) and then return to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There is no slaughter of the infants.MT 3:11-14, JN 1:31-34 John realized the true identity of Jesus (as the Messiah) either prior to the actual Baptism, or from the Baptism onward. The very purpose of John's baptism was to reveal Jesus to Israel.
MT 11:2-3 After the Baptism, John sends his disciples to ask if Jesus is the Messiah. -
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Anti-Christ wrote: "Ok, maybe but the people of Israel had absolute proof no reason to doubt(according to the OT) that all of their techings were from God, we don't. If God is all powerful, loving and He does not want anybody to be distroyed why does His word have so many contradictions and is so ambiguous? I wish you would have a litle more faith in humanity.Yes we did do a lot of nasty things but we have done a lot of great things and we are still doing great things."
Mad writes: Hah! I KNEW you had a charming side! Nice to see THAT part of you, AC! Because of religious dogma there APPEARS to be contradiction ( I'm always looking- and not finding).
What area(s) do you feel it ambiguos?
And- it's hard to put faith in HUMANITY- when it can't agree on ANYTHING, ruins the Earth, and is SO selfish & greedy- as a whole... There are wonderful people everywhere- but it looks like they are far out-numbered, to me!
Maybe I'm getting more Critical than I realise, AC- what great things are you referring to? Are you here in the U.S.?
Thank you for your kindness- even my WIFE has a hard time dealing with me, sometimes!
Mad
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Nvr wrote: "Here's a question to inform your questions. If all of the sacred texts of all religions were in some way lost without the means to reproduce them, would any deity be so obviously existent and involved in the affairs of humanity that all thinking, intelligent persons would accept it's/his/her godship without debate? Illustration: If all scientific documentation of the theory of gravity were lost, in short order the theory could be rewritten based on unbiased, universal experience."
Mad writes: Very interesting, NVR. Not applicable, here, however; it appears that a long time ago He chose to give guidance to rebellious mankind; he's letting him rebel all the way to the bitter end-yet has preserved the scriptures to provide guidance & perception of what truly IS right & wrong, and Christ's words alone have reached all corners of the globe to inspire people in the most unlikely places. It even inspires those, like Gnanda, that reject Christianity; they see the truth of it's principles.
Yes, without the Bible- or any other Religious Book- one can learn of Him...but I am extremely grateful for the Power it gives me, the insight, the glimpses to the beginning of Mankind- instead of the Fish-to-Monkey-to Man Drivel!
Agape, Mad
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Kid-a writes: "Just a heads up, Troll.....The only reason people on this DB have played this ridiculous little game with you for 6 pages is because we thorougly enjoy watching brain-fried Watchtower vegetables make complete asses out of themselves....Give it up. Your cult is dying, and millions once living are now DEAD....Just follow the pretty blue line....LMAO....."
Glad you enjoy it, Kid-a---- I do too!
By the way- I just looked up the definition of 'troll'...I see NOTHING but the most insulting, inflammatory things vomit out of YOUR mouth- and I'm not saying that as a insult! Don't you have ANYTHING good to say about ANYTHING? Compared to YOU, I'm Mr.Rogers...
the Mad Troll
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Are any of you aposates?
by KCM ini don't think i am an apostate, but do feel like one for being on these boards as we were always warned not to at the meetings etc.. i disagree with so many things they teach, the main thing is the blood issue....being a new auntie, i love my niece soooo much and if i were the only person that could save her, how on earth could i not?
i'd be blood guilty for not saving her!!!!!
that in my books, would be murder.. however, may be it's because i've only been away from the mtgs for a year, but i still think of it most days and although i feel i've made the right decision as nothing was making me happy in it, and obvioulsy my ex beating me and getting away with it.....i still feel a certain pull towards it and a kind of insane loyalty???.
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Nvr wrote: "Thanks for your kind reply. I knew you're not a troll. Troll's don't wear such cool sunglasses. What I personally found troubling about the brotherhood's HQ is that they unequivocally oppose the "religious 'Free-For-All", where we can all express doubts, fears, findings, opinions & feelings- and, hopefully, still remain Friends!" that you are enjoying here at JWD. That made me wonder, " If we have the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth why be concerned about "apostate" ramblings." The truth, if based solidly upon reality, should stand up against all argumentation. When householders hesitate to speak with us about religion we entreat them to join us in discussion. We say, "We respect that you have your beliefs, but surely no harm can come from simply discussing matters." Once dedicated and baptized, however, such discussion with persons who have discontinued their association with the brotherhood or simply disagree on some points with the brotherhood's HQ is strictly prohibited. Please take no offense personally Brother Mad, but this high-control tactic smacks of cultic behavior.
Sincerely pleased to converse freely and openly with you,
Nvr
Mad writes: I'm honored- SERIOUSLY, Nvr! What's meant by "Troll", anyways; I rarely crawl outta my art studio...
The only thing that offends me, Nvr- is ridicule of the Almighty.
Any organization ( MAN, am I getting SICK of that word!) has to figure out what rules to lay down to function in an ever-changing environment, and for the good of the new-comers as well. If you are equally honest about a lot of the things said here- and the spirit BEHIND what's said- there is a LOT of Raw Hatred- some justifyed, some not. The Hatred is why one with weak faith does better learning & being encouraged by people of faith.So I understand why the WBTS discourages reading or talking with 'apostates'.
The reason is the Hatred, which is a poison- not any Incredible Revelation they may have. The phony brothers that appear from time to time, do as terrible deeds as church people- but are always dealth with, altho NEVER quick enough for those hurt, because a lot of care is made to avoid deceptive accusations, and get all the facts first. Any deceiver that gets away with discipline from the brotherhood, gets away with nothing at ALL when they before our Lord!
Being older (I'm 55), the brothers don't worry about me talking to apostates- they just worry about the young & new ones.
Agape, Mad
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Are any of you aposates?
by KCM ini don't think i am an apostate, but do feel like one for being on these boards as we were always warned not to at the meetings etc.. i disagree with so many things they teach, the main thing is the blood issue....being a new auntie, i love my niece soooo much and if i were the only person that could save her, how on earth could i not?
i'd be blood guilty for not saving her!!!!!
that in my books, would be murder.. however, may be it's because i've only been away from the mtgs for a year, but i still think of it most days and although i feel i've made the right decision as nothing was making me happy in it, and obvioulsy my ex beating me and getting away with it.....i still feel a certain pull towards it and a kind of insane loyalty???.
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Onthewayout wrote:" Don't think of yourself as a regular Witness, MAD. You are really one of us, you know it.
There are not any regular witnesses here."Mad writes: Please stop trying to SCARE me- you know how sensitive I am!
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Abandoned wrote: "Plus, you still haven't answered my question. Why was god so violent in the old testament? How can I learn, as you say, if you don't answer the question?
IP: 4PbDAKlsLjJRzaoK Mad writes: It doesn't seem like you really want to learn, A; when one doesn't understand something, a wise man asks questions, rather than ridicule. God was violent in the 'Old Testament', for the same reason His Son will be at Armageddon ('New Testament')- to eliminate corruption.He did it with His own people Israel- after BEGGING them to turn from their evil ways- that he has NO JOY in putting a wicked person to death. His Son won't either- but it will HAVE to be done, or man will murder, mangle, rape & destroy till the "Sun Goes Out!".
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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LtCmd, thanks for you patience & understanding; I really wasn't avoiding the questions, just stating that my answers will appear totally ridiculous unless one KNOWS it's the Word of God.
How in the world can you reaaly be an Athiest? The WTBS turn you off THAT much? Or did science convince you that Evolution is a fact?
Mad
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Is speaking in tongues for Christians today, and what is it?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims speaking in tongues was restricted to the first century, though it seems quite clear that this was something to be practiced in the last days.
should christians today speak in tongues and what exactly is it?
i am wondering about the reasoning as some christian religions practice it and others don't.
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JW'fact'- wrote: " Mad, Typical JW reaction to avoid answering difficult questions by deflection."
Mad: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! And you said that with a straight face! You're guilty of what you accuse ME of- and I will NOT avoid a question- unless the one asking (like 'Kid-a') is just out to ridicule; it looks to me as if YOU are that type. I asked sincere questions you avoided and didn't answer at all...Hari Krisna!