Is speaking in tongues for Christians today, and what is it?

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  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    The Watchtower claims speaking in tongues was restricted to the first century, though it seems quite clear that this was something to be practiced in the Last Days. Should Christians today speak in tongues and what exactly is it? I am wondering about the reasoning as some Christian religions practice it and others don't. For those that don't believe the Bible I am also interested in what it is.

    Here is some research that I have done from the Watchtower publications. I have to admit I was appalled by the poor reasoning in the articles quoted, and am never failed to be embarrased that I accepted so many misleading comments as a JW.

    The scriptures indicate that the gifts of the Holy Spirit (prophecy, healing, tongues etc) would be a sign in the last days, which started in the first century and have continued till now.

    Acts 2:15-18
    “These people are, in fact, not drunk, as you suppose, for it is the third hour of the day. On the contrary, this is what was said through the prophet Joel, ‘”And in the last days,” God says, “I shall pour out some of my spirit upon every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams, and even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days and they will prophesy.’”

    The Watchtower shows that Joel’s prophecy quoted by Peter at Acts 2 was to apply until our time.

    Watchtower 1958 January 15 p. 45 Overseers in Apocalyptic Times
    “We are living also in the time of final fulfilment of the prophecy to which the apostle Peter referred on the day of Pentecost, namely: “It shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.” (Joel 2:28, 29)”

    So it is quite contradictory when in the very same article the Watchtower goes on to claim that all powerful works ended with the death of the last apostle.

    Watchtower 1958 January 15 p.45 Overseers in Apocalyptic Times
    “Today we are not living in apostolic times. Long before our time, when the apostolic days ended almost nineteen hundred years ago, the miraculous gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit passed away.”

    Watchtower 1992 August 15 p.5 likewise claims that the gifts of the spirit ended with the apostles.
    “Acts 8:18 reveals that the gifts of the spirit were received “through the laying on of the hands of the apostles.” Evidently, then, with the death of the last apostle, the passing on of the gifts of the spirit would stop—including speaking in tongues. Hence, when those who had received these gifts from the apostles also passed off the earthly scene, the miraculous gift would cease.”

    This is a deceptive comment as Acts 8:18 is not talking about receiving the gifts, but receiving holy spirit, and a Christian does not need the presence of the apostles to receive holy spirit of be born again.

    Watchtower 2001 September 15 p.17
    “Today, Jehovah gives holy spirit to his dedicated servants who pray for it and who want to do his will. (Luke 11:9-13)”

    In Justin Martyrs Second Apology chapter VI it shows that 50 years after the death of the last apostle healing and exorcisms were continuing to be done by the Christians;

    “For numberless demoniacs throughout the whole world, and in your city, many of our Christian men exorcising them in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, have healed and do heal, rendering helpless and driving the possessing devils out of the men, though they could not be cured by all the other exorcists, and those who used incantations and drugs.”

    1 Corinthians 13:8-13 shows that these gifts would not end until “that which is complete arrives” and we see “face to face”, no doubt a reference to going to heaven.

    8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the [traits] of a babe. 12 For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known. 13 Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

    The New American Standard Bible at 1 Corinthians 13:10 refers to it as “but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.” Russell understood that the perfect day is not until after Armageddon, and hence the Watchtower concept that the light gets brighter.

    Proclaimers p.121
    “Did they believe that they had all the answers, the full light of truth? To that question Brother Russell pointedly answered: “Certainly not; nor will we have until the ‘perfect day.’” (Prov. 4:18, KJ)”

    The gifts were to continue until that which is complete arrives, Jesus perfect rulership. The Watchtower relies heavily on the concept that that which is complete has not arrived, hence their justification for changing doctrines and the “light [still] getting brighter” The reason that the Watchtower is forced to say that the gifts of the Spirit ceased in the first century is that they do not possess any of them.

  • Pahpa
    Pahpa

    Some religious denominations such as the Pentecosts feel that "talking in tongues" is a distinctive identification of the true church today. However, there are difficulties that bring the whole issue into question. I once worked with a Pentecost who admitted that he felt the majority of those who talked in tongues were bogus. He noted that they often repeated unintelligible sounds and phrases that were similar but always had a different interpretation of the meaning. He thought that less than 1% of the congregants had the "gift." And this was from a member of the church!

    It is worthy to note that even in the early church "talking in tongues" did not have a very high priority. In Paul's discussion he emphasized that this was not of value unless it edified the church and listeners. "...I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." (1 Co. 14) It still seems sound advice today.

  • penny2
    penny2

    I believe people who speak in tongues are entering an altered state of consciousness and being under the influence of their surroundings (including power of suggestion) start "speaking in tongues."

    I overheard people "contacting the dead" on several occasions. To me, it sounded like they were in a trance, making unintelligible sounds - including screams. Had I still been a witness I would have thought there were demons. I was also told that I would probably have "spirits" in my house due to my close proximity to these people. Nothing ever happened. I would put speaking in tongues in a similar category to contacting the dead.

    Being non-religious now, I believe there are logical explanations for most things.

    penny2

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    Me and my girlfriend speak in tongues, but only with one another.

    We're monogamous.

    BA- Likes speaking in tongues.

    PS- Speaking in eyes is nice too.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Some believe that the gift of tongues is merely the ability to learn new languages and speak them with proficiency.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts
    ESHOWEE YAHOOGEEAH BAJEENOO WASHATEERIAH MAHLAHARJEE SHIMMERGINATEE AARRSE Now of course this doesn't mean anything but they wont know that.

    Damn, I spent 5 minutes trying to work out what it meant, and thought I almost had it.

    Any comments anyone on whether they think the Bible shows that we still should be speaking in tongues?

  • Mr. Kim
    Mr. Kim

    By all rights, what purpose would speaking in tongues serve today? Most of the people today don't know and don't really care about any such thing. So the effect would be null and void as if present day man can't make sense out of it, would it not be a waste of power? But then, who knows what "TRUTH" really is anymore? All of us have been deceived in so many ways.......

  • blondie
    blondie

    Here's a story that rotates through the WTS to prove that "speaking in tongues" is demonistic. The details of the story vary depending on the area.

    *** g84 2/8 p. 23 Tongues, Trances and Voices—Should You Beware? ***

    THE Sunday-night service at a South African Pentecostal church was in full swing. A miracle was taking place! An Asian woman stood up and began speaking in a foreign tongue. ‘Surely it must be some divine revelation!’ thought her fellow worshipers.

    But something about this manifestation struck another woman and her daughter as odd. They asked the pastor what the woman had actually said. To their surprise the pastor, who understood the language, admitted that the outburst was both vulgar and obscene. Even more startling was his admission that "there are both good and bad spirits."

  • Mad
    Mad

    Before answering your lenghty sermon, can you answer 3 questions for me? (1) Is it possible to have the Gifts of the Spirit if you do not know who God REALLY is, and if you do not obey His son? and (2) Is there anyone on Earth who DEMONSTRATES such gifts- which included raising the dead, and, as Christ did, healing EVERY sort of infirmity-weteher the person has faith or not?, and (3) What do you think was the purpose of the gifts? Simply to prove someone a True Christian?

    Mad

  • Mad
    Mad

    Buddy wrote: "Pretending to "speak in tongues" is one of the best ways to scare JWs away since they have such a morbid fear of "demons" and believe that anyone who "speaks in tongues"is doing so by the power of the demons. With a little practice anyone can "speak in tongues". For starters, listen to an auctioneer at any horse or cattle auction then try to immulate his/her lingo.Here is an example that you could use. I'm sure you could invent more. ESHOWEE YAHOOGEEAH BAJEENOO WASHATEERIAH MAHLAHARJEE SHIMMERGINATEE AARRSE Now of course this doesn't mean anything but they wont know that. To make it even more effective you could put your hands on them as if you're attempting to "lay hands upon them". When I was a JW this actually happened to a JW while preaching from door to door. The witness nearly $hit and ran back to the car as fast as possible.The experience was talked about for some time thereafter with the warning from the elders that if anyone encounters a similar situation at the door to do the same: get out of there as quickly as possible! "

    Mad writes: Wussy! This is advice for people with no spine. Why not just say "Get Lost", "Not Interested"- or hide, like most people? Why not preach to THEM? (Me!)

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