Posts by Mad

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How is the Good News going to be preached Earthwide- if it's not by JWS?

by Mad in

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Kid-a writes: "Just a heads up, Troll.....The only reason people on this DB have played this ridiculous little game with you for 6 pages is because we thorougly enjoy watching brain-fried Watchtower vegetables make complete asses out of themselves....Give it up. Your cult is dying, and millions once living are now DEAD....Just follow the pretty blue line....LMAO....."

Glad you enjoy it, Kid-a---- I do too!

By the way- I just looked up the definition of 'troll'...I see NOTHING but the most insulting, inflammatory things vomit out of YOUR mouth- and I'm not saying that as a insult! Don't you have ANYTHING good to say about ANYTHING? Compared to YOU, I'm Mr.Rogers...

the Mad Troll

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Are any of you aposates?

by KCM in

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friends

i don't think i am an apostate, but do feel like one for being on these boards as we were always warned not to at the meetings etc.. i disagree with so many things they teach, the main thing is the blood issue....being a new auntie, i love my niece soooo much and if i were the only person that could save her, how on earth could i not?

i'd be blood guilty for not saving her!!!!!

that in my books, would be murder.. however, may be it's because i've only been away from the mtgs for a year, but i still think of it most days and although i feel i've made the right decision as nothing was making me happy in it, and obvioulsy my ex beating me and getting away with it.....i still feel a certain pull towards it and a kind of insane loyalty???.

Mad

Nvr wrote: "Thanks for your kind reply. I knew you're not a troll. Troll's don't wear such cool sunglasses. What I personally found troubling about the brotherhood's HQ is that they unequivocally oppose the "religious 'Free-For-All", where we can all express doubts, fears, findings, opinions & feelings- and, hopefully, still remain Friends!" that you are enjoying here at JWD. That made me wonder, " If we have the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth why be concerned about "apostate" ramblings." The truth, if based solidly upon reality, should stand up against all argumentation. When householders hesitate to speak with us about religion we entreat them to join us in discussion. We say, "We respect that you have your beliefs, but surely no harm can come from simply discussing matters." Once dedicated and baptized, however, such discussion with persons who have discontinued their association with the brotherhood or simply disagree on some points with the brotherhood's HQ is strictly prohibited. Please take no offense personally Brother Mad, but this high-control tactic smacks of cultic behavior.

Sincerely pleased to converse freely and openly with you,

Nvr

Mad writes: I'm honored- SERIOUSLY, Nvr! What's meant by "Troll", anyways; I rarely crawl outta my art studio...

The only thing that offends me, Nvr- is ridicule of the Almighty.

Any organization ( MAN, am I getting SICK of that word!) has to figure out what rules to lay down to function in an ever-changing environment, and for the good of the new-comers as well. If you are equally honest about a lot of the things said here- and the spirit BEHIND what's said- there is a LOT of Raw Hatred- some justifyed, some not. The Hatred is why one with weak faith does better learning & being encouraged by people of faith.So I understand why the WBTS discourages reading or talking with 'apostates'.

The reason is the Hatred, which is a poison- not any Incredible Revelation they may have. The phony brothers that appear from time to time, do as terrible deeds as church people- but are always dealth with, altho NEVER quick enough for those hurt, because a lot of care is made to avoid deceptive accusations, and get all the facts first. Any deceiver that gets away with discipline from the brotherhood, gets away with nothing at ALL when they before our Lord!

Being older (I'm 55), the brothers don't worry about me talking to apostates- they just worry about the young & new ones.

Agape, Mad

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Are any of you aposates?

by KCM in

jw
friends

i don't think i am an apostate, but do feel like one for being on these boards as we were always warned not to at the meetings etc.. i disagree with so many things they teach, the main thing is the blood issue....being a new auntie, i love my niece soooo much and if i were the only person that could save her, how on earth could i not?

i'd be blood guilty for not saving her!!!!!

that in my books, would be murder.. however, may be it's because i've only been away from the mtgs for a year, but i still think of it most days and although i feel i've made the right decision as nothing was making me happy in it, and obvioulsy my ex beating me and getting away with it.....i still feel a certain pull towards it and a kind of insane loyalty???.

Mad

Onthewayout wrote:" Don't think of yourself as a regular Witness, MAD. You are really one of us, you know it.
There are not any regular witnesses here."

Mad writes: Please stop trying to SCARE me- you know how sensitive I am!

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If the bible is from God then explain this!

by Anti-Christ in

nu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?

one can only speculate.

dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.

Mad

Abandoned wrote: "Plus, you still haven't answered my question. Why was god so violent in the old testament? How can I learn, as you say, if you don't answer the question?
IP: 4PbDAKlsLjJRzaoK

Mad writes: It doesn't seem like you really want to learn, A; when one doesn't understand something, a wise man asks questions, rather than ridicule. God was violent in the 'Old Testament', for the same reason His Son will be at Armageddon ('New Testament')- to eliminate corruption.He did it with His own people Israel- after BEGGING them to turn from their evil ways- that he has NO JOY in putting a wicked person to death. His Son won't either- but it will HAVE to be done, or man will murder, mangle, rape & destroy till the "Sun Goes Out!".

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If the bible is from God then explain this!

by Anti-Christ in

nu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?

one can only speculate.

dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.

Mad

LtCmd, thanks for you patience & understanding; I really wasn't avoiding the questions, just stating that my answers will appear totally ridiculous unless one KNOWS it's the Word of God.

How in the world can you reaaly be an Athiest? The WTBS turn you off THAT much? Or did science convince you that Evolution is a fact?

Mad

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Is speaking in tongues for Christians today, and what is it?

by jwfacts in

the watchtower claims speaking in tongues was restricted to the first century, though it seems quite clear that this was something to be practiced in the last days.

should christians today speak in tongues and what exactly is it?

i am wondering about the reasoning as some christian religions practice it and others don't.

Mad

JW'fact'- wrote: " Mad, Typical JW reaction to avoid answering difficult questions by deflection."

Mad: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! And you said that with a straight face! You're guilty of what you accuse ME of- and I will NOT avoid a question- unless the one asking (like 'Kid-a') is just out to ridicule; it looks to me as if YOU are that type. I asked sincere questions you avoided and didn't answer at all...Hari Krisna!

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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?

by unbaptized in

if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?

if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.

please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.

Mad

This icon is with YOU in mind, Kid-a!

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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?

by unbaptized in

if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?

if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.

please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.

Mad

Nark wrote: "If you think of it, the absence of any literal "name" for God in the NT (in spite of many theological reference to "God's name," just as in contemporary Judaism, cf. the Qaddish which parallels the Lord's Prayer) is just one of many differences between the OT and the NT which cannot be understood without a knowledge of the so-called "intertestamental" period. When you turn from Malachi to Matthew in a Protestant Bible you jump into a completely different world with a new set of notions and beliefs which can hardly be found in the OT (demons, exorcisms, Gehenna, etc.). The Gospel Jesus simply shares them with his contemporaries. You could argue that since such things are not taught in the OT he would certainly not have bought into "late Jewish superstition" -- but according to the Gospels he just did.

Mad: Very interesting view, Nark- and glad you saw & enjoyed that flick as much as I! Demons & exorcism definitely was something new; my view was that the unusual activity (as Satan with the star led the Astrologers/Magi to Herod) was the all-out effort the Demons were making to foil the Messiah, thru fear & misconception. Do I remember correctly? Wasn't there a reference to a demon-possessed man that kept following aways behind Christ shouting "This is the Son of God!"? Many would have believed such a man- and it's likely other things similar were done. The Occult convinces the masses into believing Satan's first lie- that we would never die. The 'Immortal Soul'.

Gehenna is not confusing at all- until the churches get a hold of it! Since the Jews threw garbage into Gehenna every day, at least THEY knew what Christ meant when he said the day would come when the Wicked would be hirled into it!

Getting back to the Divine Name- YHWH is His Name, no matter WHAT vowels you feel belong! Since Jesus was given all power from, and served God, YHWH was simply not another name for Christ. When Jesus said "Hallowed be thy Name", His name wasn't Hallowed. And Christ WAS NOT TALKING about the titles "God" and "Lord".

Therefore, REGARDLESS of the later translations, Jewish Traditions, Church Dogma, the exact vowels, and Christ's position as the Word of God- representing Him- one with GENUINE faith will "Hallow" / HONOR the name of the ONLY True God.

Can't get any simpler than that, Nark! I suppose you like the dispicable New International Translation. It, as MOST, 'hallow' God's name by completely omitting it....

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If the bible is from God then explain this!

by Anti-Christ in

nu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?

one can only speculate.

dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.

Mad

Finally wrote: "YES!!! We want to learn! We're sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting for you to impart some pearls of wisdom to us! But please don't be offended if no one holds their breath."

Mad writes: I'm offended! PLEASE hold your breath!

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If the bible is from God then explain this!

by Anti-Christ in

nu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?

one can only speculate.

dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.

Mad

LtCmd wrote: "

Stealth wrote:"Welcome Anti-Christ.The bible is nothing more than a collection of stories and fables written by, and collected by, men.A fairy tale."
Mad writes: Thus states the 'Jedi Master'....I'm convinced! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!

Would you mind explaining why what stealth said was any less convincing than when you said:

The Book of Mormon is a farce to anyone who has a little intelligence, The Bible comes from beyond Man to anyone with the same.

Lore writes: Thus states the 54 year old... I'm convinced! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! Those arguments sound pretty much the same, except you managed to throw in a couple insults.

Mad writes: Good one, Lore! I love you, man! (Woman?Teenager?) The Bible is backed up by Science (the exceptions being the Theory of Evolution and Church Teachings, like the 6 24-hour Creative Days Dogma), and by the very principles weaved thruout all the books. The Book of Mormon is a counterfeit of the Bible- and Mormons take its word over the Bible; they HAVE to since it is contradicted so much by it! If the Bible WERE just a fairytale, it's people would have never existed, it's words would not inspire just about all who read it, and since it was written LONG before the Dark Ages- science would contradict almost everything it said, as it does with all the other 'sacred' writings from those ancient times! (This is the best I can paraphrase...)

Note that the entire topic is about the atrocities commited by god in the bible, you have so far made four posts in a row, talking about everything but that! Avoiding the question are you? Well I don't blame you, it's like trying to defend Hitler. Unfortunately though you seem to think that insulting those who disagree with you, or questioning their motives counts as a defense. LtCmd.Lore

Mad writes: It never cease to amaze me how upset people like you- who CONSTANTLY insult & bash- can't take it when someone throws a little your way! The answer to those "atrocities" is not going to make ANY sense to any that don't KNOW the Bible as being from God- so why answer? Jesus didn't answer Pilate...I will give you a hint: Those were NOT "atrocities"- except against extremely wicked cultures & societies in that region.