Posts by saywhat29

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Homosexuality is a Sin. Beleive me, you'll want to see this!

by whereami in

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the definition of "pot meets kettle".

this is just to funny.

how is anyone supposed to take religion seriously, really.. .

saywhat29

Gary, i think you have to understand soeething about sexuality- homo or hetero. Its like language; a person can learn a different language, emerse themselves into a different culture and be able to blend in with most not knowing that he/she was even a foreigner; however that person will hardly ever forget their mother tongue. The thoughts in their head will be in their native language too. Sexuality is kind of (and I repeat, kind of... and actually I want to say male sexuality is because women are like...whatever works right now, lol) like language.

But then it seems weird then when it comes to ex-gays or those with an 'afflicted with Same-Sex attraction' to be rediculed and harased in one light and then in 'liberal circles and academia' for folks to sprout that sexuality if fluid and can change at times... so I don't totally' knock those who want to live that 'lifestyle', if that is what they want.

I just hate the fact that they lie. They lie so much and they support people who hurt those just like them. But like steve2's story, it is important to realize and respect the science that has been conducted in this area: people do not change 'orientation', they change behavior, maybe. Those who persue a ex-gay life will more than likely return to 'acting out homosexually' and can be even more in danger of depression and suicide. Our biggest gripes about this kinda stuff is that when people go into this stuff, it messes them up and these people lie about changes and trout out 'wives and kids' to prove that "It works!" when it really doesn't whatsoever.

is it possible for a gay person to not at on his feelings and be with a women? Sure is. Is he then a heterosexual? Not really, no.

If you want to believe it does, then hey you're entitled to it, but believing a homo changes orientation cause he prays is akin to watching some preacher hit some wheelchair-bound guy in the forehead and believe when he tands up, his legs are healed by the holy spirit... this is a money scam fueled by homo self-hatred, depression,and shame. And to let you know so, hardly ever are there stories of ex-gay conversions where the homosexual was happy before 'conversion' or wasn't addicted, or wasn't on the brink of suicide. These people are never well-adjusted homosexuals who make a conscientious decision to change.

These people are usually on drugs, have self esteem issues, abuse issues, and when they 'change' they turn around and blame all of their problems on being homosexuals when thats not the whole story.

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A terrible situation, I need all the help I can get

by lola28 in

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i dont know if ive posted this before but here it goes.

my sisters step dad has a nice who well call roxy for now, ive known this kid since she was two and she and my sister grew up together.

roxys mom is a walking disaster; she has five kids all by different fathers (has had at least two abortions), has never worked a day in her life and im pretty sure she does drugs, and probably sells them too, however i cant prove it.

saywhat29

Lola28, from what you are telling us, you need to document when she drops these kids off, the condition they are in, her state of mind, etc. if she has bruises, docment it. if she's drunk, document it, if she says she doesn't want to watch them right now and goes off with her bf, document it.

Document everything. If you want to fight this legally, you need proof.; you cannot just show up and say she's a crappy mom. If they see three kids still breathing and in general good health, your case will be pushed to the bottom of the pile and you'll just be annoying nosey person.

The courts need to see a pattern . You need to document everything you can if you and your mother want to become foster parents to these kids. Like, I said, maybe I'm so skewed because I've seen girls her age do so much for their kids,hell sell their behind for their kids to have friggin' Jordans, that my bias against this girl is unfair because I'm not even thinking about the fathers. And that's sexist. She needs to find these guys and hold them accountable if possible. And more liekly, this guy needs to go to jail!

What you're trying to do- become a foster parent to kids with a bio mother who generally wants them and loves them very dearly is an uphill battle. That is really hard to do unless you are willing to spend a whole lot of money and have a good case. But with the court system, unless the kids are in extreme abuse- just remember that kids get returned all day to shitty parents after being taken from them because a child is bettter with their parents 'in general'- it is pretty hard thing to do.

You can do all this work and all she has to do is complete a 15-day 'Parenting Course' and you're back where you're started and whats worst she will have the option of not allowing you to even see the kids unless you continue to foot the bill (in the worst case scenario). If people could take away kids from sh^^t parents, maybe we'd have more well-adjusted adults walking around but we know that is not the case.

Like I said, you cannot use the children as an excuse to allow her to do anything and all things because she knows the power she has. "Nathan is hungry" is all she has to say and then there you are to bail her out of taking care of Nathan. Nathan is her responsibility. Nathan came out of her body, calls her momma, and wants her to take care of him. No offense, but even if that child is attached, Nathan more than likely expects his mom to be his mom/caregiver.

If she is that dependant on your family, you should take her to Social services and WIC and see what they can assist her with. And if she refuses to work, then i think you should document this and have her explain to a social worker what should happen. The system sucks but its the only one we have short of kidnapping the kids and moving to Mexico. If you can't help but give her things, like I said buy the items for her and expect her to pay back some of it and tell her its not free.

*shudders* How you stand to be around such a child and not whoop her silly is beyond me 'cause she needs that old school 'Big momma' beatdown. I don't hit girls but I know the number of a lot of girls who do hit girls... And sadly Roxy's own momma needs an old school big momma beatdown too.

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A terrible situation, I need all the help I can get

by lola28 in

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i dont know if ive posted this before but here it goes.

my sisters step dad has a nice who well call roxy for now, ive known this kid since she was two and she and my sister grew up together.

roxys mom is a walking disaster; she has five kids all by different fathers (has had at least two abortions), has never worked a day in her life and im pretty sure she does drugs, and probably sells them too, however i cant prove it.

saywhat29

@PSac, I agree with you and if I come across as harsh that wasn't my intention. It's just that there hasn't been anything coming from this family *but* Love for this girl and her kids. I feel they give so much love, they cannot see when its hurting Roxy, the baby, and themselves. Of course she needs love to but it is not as if this girl doesn't know she can get it from this family. She knows exactly where to go to get love and/or anything else.

Maybe because I know teen mothers and I know that parenting the young infants usually fall upon the young mother and her family that makes me a little harsh in this regard but most do not make two more kids afterward. I know of one girl who foolishly did that, and that is because she is so in love with the child's father that she keeps making kids back-to-back with him. Both are kinda stupid and it all falls back on her because she can't even leave him to watch the kids... but at least she's above the age of 18 and can work.

Scully brought up excellent point as well; the girl is probably elligble for benefits and welfare if she applies in some form, so your family shouldn't be doing this by themselves. The father(s) do need to be arrested as that is pretty disgusting what they did to her. She needs al the help she can get, she needs love, and attention, but she also needs to be treated as the mother she his making herself out to be. Trying to assembole some childhood for a girl who has three people depending on her does a disservice to those kids; shielding her from the brunt of her responsibilities does nothing but makes it harder on her.

To Aguest, she's 15, not 10. And I'm young enough to remember 15 and knew a few girls with kids. She understands more than I think we can give her credit for. I mean... I just hope she gets the help she needs to get a job, an education, and take care of her kids. How would you go about establishing self love in her, go about getting her to understand her self worth? That's a lifetime goal for most people and coddling her won't do her any good. I understand she's young and immature, but if she's still pulling the same crap at 18 (and she will people.. .if this doesn't end she will and will possibly be onto child no. 4) I know so many teen mothers who bust their a$$ for their kids left and right at McD's slinging burgers, going down to wait in lines for food stamps and gov't offices for vouchers, fighting for paternity test just so they could get 40 or 50 dollars from their deadbeat fathers- I really don't have that much... I don't know empathy for a girl who keeps making kids and using other people.

So that's ultimately where I come from. You see 15 year old girl with three kids abused by her circumstances who probably hates herself; I see 15 year old girl with three kids who hates herself and is using people and not doing what she needs to do in her shitty situation.

Its sad she's there; its sad she doesn't have the support system she does from her bio family, and its sad that she feels it necessary to escape through sex with older men who won't/cant help her. We get that it's sad and all agree.

Now what should happen is the issue. Get her away from those men or anyone willing to knock her up introduce her to the pill, take her down to get those kids tested for paternity test and if any of her kid's athers have jobs apply for child support so even if they don't have one now in the future if they ever get one, he'll still have to pay 'back child support'. If she won't agree, cut off money and just buy her the supplies and items she needs. Get her what she needs to gain skills and get a job somewhere, anywhere, and apply for vouchers and benefits. But do not make her the person in control of this; in this instance, yes she is the child and you are the adult footing the bill.

This child's uterus is running the whoole show; that should end. Like now.

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A terrible situation, I need all the help I can get

by lola28 in

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i dont know if ive posted this before but here it goes.

my sisters step dad has a nice who well call roxy for now, ive known this kid since she was two and she and my sister grew up together.

roxys mom is a walking disaster; she has five kids all by different fathers (has had at least two abortions), has never worked a day in her life and im pretty sure she does drugs, and probably sells them too, however i cant prove it.

saywhat29

PSacra, I usually agree with you and like what you say (as you're a really nice guy) but I have to disagree with you here. This girl needs tough love; she doesn't have the option of having someone parent her in the same way anymore. She now has to be someone's parent. What everyone has been doing for her so far is enabling her to make the wrong decision after the next. Was she sort of lead to the life she has now by the consequences outside of her control?

Sure, there is no denying that and its really effing sad. But what she needs is a job, schooling, daycare, and to get her act together- there are going to be 3 lives depending on her not effing her up like hr mother effed her up. She needs support as well since she cannot take care of those kids on her own, but more than anything she needs to get away from these men who keep knocking up a child with kids already, and if she wont do these things, she needs her kids removed from her until she can do better by them. That sounds horribly sexist but its one of the harshest realities why we judge women and men differently when it comes to childrearing and childcare- women are the ones uually stuck footing it all, so when her act isn't together the kids suffer a whooole lot more than when daddy is a screwed up mess.

It's a sad situation all around but the love Roxy needs right now is tough love because she may be a child but her childhood is officially over. And lola's family is footing a bill for someone unappreciative and manipulative to boot. These kids do not need to be around her if she is away all the time like this (unless she's working while she is away..the girl is going to need help, I'm not denying that).

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A terrible situation, I need all the help I can get

by lola28 in

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i dont know if ive posted this before but here it goes.

my sisters step dad has a nice who well call roxy for now, ive known this kid since she was two and she and my sister grew up together.

roxys mom is a walking disaster; she has five kids all by different fathers (has had at least two abortions), has never worked a day in her life and im pretty sure she does drugs, and probably sells them too, however i cant prove it.

saywhat29

Is it too late for an abortion? If she is willing to do it? I don't know how the 15 year old feels about that or how you all do, but in that situation, I have no idea. I think your family has to stop protecting her because she obviously isn't feeling the brunt of being a single mother if she can just drop those kids off any time at your home where she knows they will be cared for and protected.

You may love this girl, but I believe she is taking advantage out of all of you and she's had a great teacher to show her how. Her mother allowed someone else to raise her child and when she wanted her back, just took her like it was nothing, not caring about her well-being, not caring about anything else, just her own needs. And if you look at the actions of 'Roxy' they are kinda similar are they not?

You have to break ties with this family. Its' hard and its even harder when you're attached to this child the way you are. Because the only other option you have is to take her to court and fight for custody and that is an uphill battle right there against the rights of a natural mother-- and you're going to pay the cost of it too. But if you're amily is too attached to 'nate' then I would consider it; just realized its Nate and now 2 other children.

But one thing your family has to do is stop allowing Roxy to control your lives like this. I wouldn't return her phone calls, I wouldn't help her out at all until she did exactly what you wanted if she is getting money from you; mainly get on friggin' birth control and get an education or attend a trade school. She's using these kids as anchors- you can't say no to her even though you want to becaause of the kids... and she knows this. She doesn't call her mother and ask for that crap nor her siblings. She calls you all. Well, if you consider her family then its time miss thing has an intervention. You need to stay firm and let her know whats up or else you will be stuck in this cycle over and over again.

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How the Internet Means 'The End' for Apostates and Opposers of the Society

by slimboyfat in

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the received wisdom is that the internet has dramatically damaged the ability of the watchtower society to gain and retain followers.

there was a very eloquent article to that effect written some time ago by a commentator who attempted to buttress his argument with reference to the postmodern condition and the breakdown of metanarratives in todays secular society, nay, even the come-back for enlightenment notions of truth.

in the 1970/80s there were major challenges to the watchtowers theology (great crowd in heaven) and chronology (1914) in norway, alberta canada, dublin ireland and in the newyork bethel itself: but the damage caused by those involved in the dissent was limited because knowledge was dispersed merely through personal contact and minimal use of obscure publications that seldom met the eyes of witnesses innocent of the watchtowers doctrinal and chronological vacillations in any case.

saywhat29

Hey everyone, just checking in and looked at this thread and found it very thought-provoking. Reading everyone's response I have to say that only time will tell. Honestly, teh_evil apostates have done a great job in getting out information about the WTS and its bullshit. If you enter "Jehovah's Witness" in a search, this place pops up for heaven's sake along with FreeMinds, Jwfacts, and Silent Lambs.

And I have to say the internet saved me a lot because when I was having my own issues with the JWs and the belief system I turned to the anonymity of the internet for support, one of the greatest advantages of the blasted thing. I then learned the truth about 'da troof' and freed myself of the mental shackles of any deity, especially the WTS' version of Sky Daddy.

BUT. That doesn't change the fact that the Internet also offers Apologists and Witnesses places to congregate with each other and I have to say that rarely are any minds open before they are 'ready' to. If a person sees flaws within their belief system then chances are they will be more open to reading apostate material and hearing some form of opposition to teh_society. If they are not and they believe it hook, line, and sinker, they will ignore anything you have to say, label you an apostate and ignore anything reasonable point you make. Read Youtube comments (if you can stand to) and see for yourself. They watch the videos..and afterwards tell you how

"jehover will make you pay for this!!!!.... Apostate, turn back before it's to late!... Stop trying to destoy meh faith!!1 You should b ashamed of urself!'

You can spell it out for them, post links, break it down bullet point by bullet point but witnesses still post they same ol same old.

Myself, when I was younger I remember coming to these boards, being an apologist/lurker, and arguing with "angry apostates" about all the good witnesses have done... and how they were twisting things around!!! Liars!! I was also 14 I believe. Not ready. But I remember reading about 1914 and thinking they were just harping on that date to make witnesses look bad unaware of how important that date was to my own belief system..and in my little mind knew the WTS was right and the bad stupid internet peepul were wrong.

I think the internet is a perfect tool for giving support to Witnesses since, well it's easy to feel alone when you are disfelowshipped, questioning, or fading. But all the information that is out there that damns them can be read by a believer and if they aren't open they can ignore it- worst they can find some apologist to twist everything out there to make the Watchtower seem right again, and go on there merry little way in their little bubble.

It's a great tool but it's also a great tool for them as well. I don't agree with Slimboy's premise that it means the end for apostates though.

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What kind of women do men want?

by semelcred in

i ve just read the blog asking what sort of man a woman wants!

i am fed up in this world that men don't stand up and start letting the sisters in the world know what we really need.

lets take the game to them!!.

saywhat29

I want a girl I can go shopping with- a girl I can el oh el while we sip hard liquor. A girl who will laugh at poop and fart jokes and burp like its nothing.

A girl I can check out guys with and comment as to what we would do to them. A girl I can cry with when he leaves and eat cake with. A girl who will tell me I'm all muscle and that I'm not at all puffy or fat and I'll do the same for her. Someone who will re-enact Beyonce and lady Gaga's 'Telephone' with while wearing horrible neon colored wigs.

Thats the kind of girl i want.

if she's rich that's a bonus.

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What JW catch phrase DRIVES YOU NUTS!!!!

by megaflower in

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"we should be mindful".

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

saywhat29

"This assembly was the best one yet. I feel so refreshed."

Even when I belived it all I could ever think in my head was, "IT WAS THE SAME THING AS LAST YEAR! YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

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Rush Limbaugh in Hospital in Serious Condition

by RubaDub in

just saw the newsflash on cnn (10:30 est wed 30 dec 2009).

seems he had serious chest pains while playing golf in hawaii and was rushed to the hospital.

not sure where the "serious condition" part came from but that's what was reported.. even those of us who disagree with most of what he says wish him no harm and a speedy recovery.. however, when you are that full of shit, it takes a toll on your body.. rub a dub.

saywhat29

MrsJones5, I agree with you and you know its something to admit that his fans have cracked a smile or two or laughed at racial humor before and I can understand that whitefolks have ideas that can be mildly entertaining about race (because blackfolk surely have tons about others) but it's how he goes about it that lets you know its hate.

So you're dead on about him being a racist and even more dead on about the folks who defend his racism. At least own what he said and don't try to sit there and tell the rest of us we're just hearing things...

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Rush Limbaugh in Hospital in Serious Condition

by RubaDub in

just saw the newsflash on cnn (10:30 est wed 30 dec 2009).

seems he had serious chest pains while playing golf in hawaii and was rushed to the hospital.

not sure where the "serious condition" part came from but that's what was reported.. even those of us who disagree with most of what he says wish him no harm and a speedy recovery.. however, when you are that full of shit, it takes a toll on your body.. rub a dub.

saywhat29

Yeah don't expect many people to give a damn about Rush as he's earned the animosity of many. And to CoCal- thats absolute bull about 'anything a white man says is racist' when said white man has SAID RACIST THINGS REPEATEDLY! Are you just blind to what was posted? You asked for proof and it was provided to you and you completely ignore it? Huh. Oh well.

Yeaaah. Um. I don't wish death on people but there are people I'd rather seeing breathing than that asshole. And its funny how people can easily ignore what he says because it 'gets left-wing jackoffs riled up' allthewhile ignoring why which lets you know where there mindsets are as well.

I don't like like wishing death upon people but he's a hateful racist homophobic lying piece of shit. Nuff said.