Posts by saywhat29

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should prostitution be legalized?

by John Doe in

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think of all the unprotected prostitutes in the world.

if their profession were legalized, they might have access to retirement plans, medical insurance, regular health exams that would protect not only the girl but the client also.

courts and society have traditionally held the body as something sacred that should not be sold, but are people not selling their bodies when they make pornos or pose for pictures or make movies or any such things?

saywhat29

Legalized? No.

Decriminalized? Good god yes. You can decriminalize something without making it legal, because that just puts these women under the ownership of the government instead of a pimp. Some women can be forced for testing told when and where they can sell themselves... if we want people to have control over themselves then having the government step in and be pimp instead of a low-budget thug is no better.

But I also tend to agree that MOST prostitution is in form of desperation and survival and for that matter its not that it should be stopped, but it should be programs to help these people get out of those situations. Besides, just because your a prostitute now does not mean you ALWAYS will be one. If people are downtrodden you aren't going to stop that feeling but stopping them from selling their bodies- they are STILL going to be downtrodden... and probably poor. Prostitution gives them at least something to support themselves. But with good programs that help protect them, give them sexual health information and condoms and testing, and also counseling and employment, then you can help these people get out of those positions. Not by taking their only (in their minds anyway) souce of income and security away.

But again, Not ALL prostitutes are downtrodden and depressed or poor. There are some people who take their craft very seriously and consider it a line of work. Call boys, strippers, adult entertainers, dominatrixes, call girls, bunny ranch girls, etc. And yes, prostitution is something no parent wants to hear their child say they want to do as a profession and no one wants to know that their parents are doing that type of job, and personally I feel that maybe that stigma should exist because again MOST people do prostitute to eat and survive but this profession is never gonna go away and at best it could be made so their parent and family DONT know at all. And lets be honest we all can't live to make mommy and daddy happy, as we should all know that by now or else we'd be saving up for our "special assembly" and getting us a nice new suit and dress around this time of year. Wouldn't that be fun?

So again, Decriminalized not legalized.

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Why is Talking to a Witness so Hard?

by Perry in

here's my take for one of the reasons: jw's perceive anyone who asks the wrong questions as a hater of jehovah and a persecuter.

they think jesus had them in mind here: .

john 17: 14. i have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as i am not of the world.

saywhat29

"The witnesses have a huge persecution chip on their shoulder, just waiting for the next person to come along and knock it off. Talking with them is like talking with a brick wall, because they have been told what to say and how to reply to any questions you have." YES! Oh my God, I reember one time i was in a hated argument with my other and she threw- out of No EFFING Where- that when the Great Tribulation came I was going to Turn her and "God's people in" and I'd told her that I'd be the one hiding your a$$es! Victim, much? Matter of fact, victim of what really?

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Who else is tired of the Just Get Over It threads?

by sass_my_frass in

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i have started this thread so that every time i see a new one i can point out how old that idea is.

congratulations.

it's great that you have obviously been able to get out without being harmed in some way - really, i'm happy for you.

saywhat29

I think teling somebody to get over some things is a horrible way and is very counterproductive to their healing- it's like ayng "You shouldn't be where you are, you should be beyond it and it is not the experience you had that causes you pain but YOU that causes you pain." And that in turn can make a person feel even worse.

Now its nothing wrong with giving helpful advice in HOW to get over a certain issue, but telling somebody, "OMGZ ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS- GET OVAH IT! LIKE, YESTERDAY- I DID!!!! ^___^" can really make a person feel like utter complete sh*t and even more piss them even more the hell off. We are really ALL we have in cases like this, we are the ones that understand what its like to be shunned, the mental games we at times play on ourselves, and the pain that accompanies it. So XJWs have to be there for JWs and XJws and if all people do is come on and say, "Move on-" a) without teling me HOW to move on and b) not acknowledging the pain that more than likely will always be there, should just never have commented at all.

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My Exodus Freedom Conference experience

by Junction-Guy in

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ok, so i went to nashville this past week for the exodus international southeast regional freedom conference.. .

i went with the intention of making some friends with local people from my area of tennessee.. .

the conference started thursday and it was much larger than i expected.

saywhat29

Dude, just be careful. Like... I just posted on this issue somewhere else.. Exodus isn't the most "safe" group of people so i anything seems funky or crazy just don't let it slide 'cause they can do a number on your self-esteem. because they have on thousands of others.

But all in all, Im glad you met others you can share your feelings with- that's important whether you choose to be gay or not but.. well don't be surprise if one of those guys 'chooses' to be gay within a few years either 'cause I hear that happens quite often.

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Bad things you did when you were a bad little JW!

by Wordly Andre in

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i've done a lot of bad things when i was in high school, i remember one time in 9th grade, my friends and i ditched school, went to the local mcdonalds, we were hanging out in the parking lot smoking, when this station wagon pulls up, a bunch of jw's out in service, and my mom is with them!

so funny now that i look back but back then i thought well this will be the last time i ever see my friends.

ok what are some of your bad little jw stories.

saywhat29

Oh God, you know you guys wee BAD! Like, wow! I'm judging you all like a Judicial Committee!

Anyways, I think the only "bad" thing I did with the other JW kids was wait until all the parents went upstairs, so we could shut them out, turn on some music and do all those "nasty worldy dances" and god were they fun.

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Starting your own church.....

by oldflame in

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if you could start a church of your own, what kind of church would it be ?.

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mine would be absolutely non judgemental .

saywhat29

My church would be a roller disco.

And yes, if you can't skate, you will be disfellowshipped and we will talk about your fumbling a$$ as you get off the floor. I would be a Super Elder- actually one of the Governing Hot Bodies. And you have to attend all five meetings or else we'll all talk about you and write bad things about you in the bathroom stalls. Also, you will have to make donations- since I plan on doing lots of steroids and having plasic surgeries galore (I have to be Hot after all an you wouldn't want your leading being all... normal looking would you?) and my members should pay for it since I keep them boogying on the floor.

My church would be the awesome. I mean, you might not join or stay but you'd know you would come just to see it.

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Rethinking Cain & Able, Favoritism, Parenting

by TMS in

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jehovah never had a father.

he never knew the feeling of being slighted, less loved than one of his favored siblings.

based on the above, was the first incident of sibling rivalry mishandled by jehovah?

saywhat29

I always felt bad for Cain- and this goes further in my belief that for years the bible was written with the belief that Go was right and all of his actions are just, even when explaining things that do not make sense. I mean.. how do you really know what Cain's heart condition was? Growing vegetables ain't easy...

BUT I always find it interesting in this story that it does have a ring of truth to it- I believe that parents DO tend to have a favorite. I wouldn't say they love one kid more... but then I can't speak for everyone so maybe some do, but they have a better connection with one or two that they can't have with other kids.

I know my mom has with me and that my sister senses it- I know my mom has it with her mom and her brother bitterly had to sense it. So, even though i find the parable skewed in the favor to always make God look great in every light an for Cain to look crazy (smashing your brother head in with a rock isn't right at all, don't get me wrong but the point comes in understanding him and admitting that in all of us there is a little Cain, a peson that needs to be respected as a man (or woman) and loved by something and seemed valuable especially in the eyes of our parents. His "feelwin's" were hurt and Ms. jehovah realy didn't give him what he needed at that moment)

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Advice Needed

by faundy in

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i stopped going to meetings over a year ago as i'm a lesbian and have finally accepted it.

i was a witness for 22 years, since i was born.

now i missed my friends at the hall at first, but now i have some amazing new friends that love me no matter what.

saywhat29

Queer meaning everything unmainstream... thats who i use it. Thats gay, lesbian, bi-curious, bisexual, pansexual, asexual, polyamorous...

Anything that would make your momma cry or tell you to hush up about when the relatives came over about is queer. And that's why everybody is a little queer here or there.

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Out of the mouth of babes...

by sweetstuff in

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ok, i am seriously seriously livid right now, yet so terribly proud of my seven year old.

my girls who are seven and nine are grieving their great grandmother on their father's side, lovely woman.

she was a witness.

saywhat29

I so want a kid! A baby I cherish and model to be an amazing person, to give what I did not get...

But after it turns 12, I can send it away to its mother 'cause after that you know they turn against you and blame you for all your problems!!1

... Oh snap, but your dauhter won't do that 'caus she's realy smart! I want one just like her... oh why not two.

-Sw29, whose biological clock is ticking....

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What happens when we die?

by Tatiana in

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is death an end, a beginning, or just another stage on the path?

i watched a movie last night called the eye 2. it was about the buddhist belief in reincarnation.

in the movie, souls wait for women to give birth in order to reincarnate into the baby.

saywhat29

Most folks here are familiar with the Bible Students view. It triggers reactions rather than offer comfort. Just because its another evolution from the same source doesn't make it any more right than what the JWs have. Worse - it's longer than a Watchtower article!!!

I was thinking the exact same thing.... for a moment I was wondering where my highlighter was, and where were the questions I had to answer...

Anyways (((Tatiana))) I am so sorry for your lost- I can't imagine the pain you are going through- to lose a grandchild... I really do not what to say and I wish I could give you an answer like those who so boldly believe in God or in a faith can give, but I want you to know that I believe where ever your sweet grandchild is, she is not suffering. I too still feel the belief of the Jws surrounding death, that you are gone and that is it and the only thing you have is to wait in Jehovah's memory, but I can't imagine having to face the viewpoint in the situation you are in- the pain and anguish you must be going through. I think it is important to get out and not be afraid to talk with others who are grieving, like a support group. I know it won't make anything better and it will not give you thing one thing you want, to hold your baby again, but you an work out those issues with people instead of a computer screen. There's some great advice here but there is nothing like human contact that makes things more easier.

Personally, holding my agnostic viws I believe life should be celebrated as well, the now and when one's past and leaves us, we have to mourn... but we also have to celebrate them, their lives and how they touched us. Of course it takes time to get there but I thnk by doing that it will make it easier to deal with the lost and doing it with your family will help all of you. Plan something in her memory and not be afraid to cry if it comes to it, just do not let the pan take your life away becaue you know your grandchild would want you to not continually hurt like that.

Now I'm just mumbling but I just wanted to say that adn I' sorry for your lost and I'm sorry that folks can take a thread and take the time to grind axes when this isn't the plae for it and I hope you can see that sometimes people don't realize what they are saying.