Posts by misocup

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Storys about demons and how they react to JWs - What do You think?

by Marcel in

i dont believe much of the societys teachings anymore.

but theres one thing that i carried with me all my life:

when everything is false, what is about those stories about demons, seances and all that stuff that is out in the world?

misocup

you said you "know" that theres something outthere. can you explain why do you believe that?

Because of all that I have experienced personally. It is only something you believe fully when you experience it.

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Storys about demons and how they react to JWs - What do You think?

by Marcel in

i dont believe much of the societys teachings anymore.

but theres one thing that i carried with me all my life:

when everything is false, what is about those stories about demons, seances and all that stuff that is out in the world?

After I left I wanted to find out about all religions because I was stuck in the mind-set of the one true religion. I looked into everything including Satanism. What I found is that if you call it to yourself you will find it. Bad or Good. I think the JW's deny themselves the ability to commune with the holy spirit directly, letting the GB do it for them, even though Jesus said that in the end the true worshipers would worship in spirit and truth. What does it mean to worship in spirit? I think it means each person would have thier own relationship with God, thereby not being dependant on men as a conduit for the holy spirit. After all in the last days there will be many saying I am the way. I think in there group any type of sign or spitirual activity they may encounter would be put down to demonic activity pointing to a scripture ( I can't remember it right now) that talks about how there would be no more kind of miraculous activity towards the end of this system.

I've now experienced enough to know that there is something out there, but I will never let a man tell me what it is or what it wants. Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you, we are made in God's image. We inherently Know these things. We all have the same value in God's eyes, no human can judge us no matter what we do. DF'd or not. That has become my core strength over the years and helped me to overcome the total panick I used to feel and neurotic drive to please others.

If I wanted to find out for myself like the JW's always talk about but never do I would have to overcome my fear of demons. I read all the taboo books and subjects, and watched all the bad movies. The most interesting thing I found was in a book by Alistair Crowley. The famed occultist from the beginning of the 20th century (probably a friend of Russels). In the book "Magick in Theory and Practice" he says how the name Jehovah can be used in magickal rituals. I always remember saying Jehovahs name because we were taught that the demons flee at the mere mention of it. So I thought well if the demons are afraid of the name Jehovah, then how can an occultist (Satanist) who has direct dealing with demons use the name Jehovah in demonic ritual? Wouldn't the occultist want to avoid the use of the name? Woudn't using the name bring some sort of pain to an occultist when uttering it?

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Should I wait to be questioned by the elders? or take my leave in advance?

by Thinking of Leaving in

hi everyone, i recently joined this forum as i'm close to being df.

i am suppose to meet with a judical committee soon but was thinking that i don't want to go through those personal questions that i'm sure the elders would ask.

does anyone know, is it better to just tell the elders before, say like on the phone, that i want to be df and not go through the committee?

misocup

Or just lie and deny everything. They have to have two eyewitnesses right? Preserve your relationships.

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Turn away from these wicked ways!

by Proud Witness in

jw
friends

well as you would have guessed from my name, i am a proud witness and i feel obliged to preach to you about the promises that our wonderful creator, jehovah god, has promised each and every one of us, of any race or background.

i know that you already know what he has told us through his word, but i am curious to wonder why you have chosen to jump off the narrow road which leads to everlasting life.

is it because you have had a bad experience in god's organization?

misocup

What's with the picture? Not very modest I'd say! Are you the strange woman with honey dripping lips?

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What will the new WT arragement mean for the meeting & lit arrangements?

by Hoping4Change in

i'm not sure if this has been covered elsewhere, but after hearing the announcement, i got to wondering what affect the new wt distribution arragement may have on the meetings.

also, is there any chance that they may move to a position of even more 'cloistering' of themselves, saying that only publishers (baptized and unbaptized) can go to the wt study, bookstudy, tms and sm, leaving only the public talk for 'the public' and df'd/da'd ones seeking reinstatement?

might they move the wt study to some time other than immediately following the public talk?

misocup

I'm very curious about this new arrangement. Please go into more detail.

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Will the WTBTS come to an end?

by pierogi in

cults come and go so do you think the wtbts will eventually come to an end?

i think about this sometimes and i wonder if i will live to see it.

the reason why i want it to end is because i don't like the administration.

misocup

It will, but I do not expect it in the near future.
the end delayed won't be a major issue for hardcore jw . There are about 1.x billion of Chinese atheists to preach to. It takes an average of 4-5 years to convert one of them, so there is still plenty to do in the work of the Lord to justify that the end has not come yet.
Publishers will be kept busy and away from thinking with more global campaigns, starting with memorial of 2007.
money is and will be the main issue.
It will be interesting to see 2014 come and go.

Hi,

I agree that it won't be in the near future. All new converts will not be able to look back in the historical record to see the past predictions of the end.

Why do you think the memorial 2007 will have an influence?

Sorry, another question... What is 2014?

Miso

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The Governing Body and the Anointed

by greendawn in

according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

misocup

Thanks, I'm really glad I found this site.

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The Governing Body and the Anointed

by greendawn in

according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

misocup

frannie :
The Gov. Body of the WTS collectively suffer from a "superiority complex"
They do? On what basis do you make this assertion?
and do not wish anyone else to be given the acclaim and position which they hold in the eyes of their minions,
And yet I have personally seen one of them (Fred Franz) deliberately refuse to indulge someone (after an international convention talk he gave) in just such an act of acclaim and recognition.
nor do they wish the threat of a usurpation of their position from others who put their pants on one leg at a time, just as the Gov. ~~Haughty~~ Body does.
And how do you know what they wish, or do not wish?

I've never met one of the GB, I do not even know how many there are or their names, but I am still able to tell what kind of people they are because of the positions they hold and the edicts they hand down. I think frannies statements are correct.

Take the decision (or non decision) about the 2 witness rule, and whether or not the parents of a minor victim of an attack would be allowed to tell the police:

They have for decades knowingly allowed molestation and child abuse inside the organization while making policies deliberately designed to keep it all quiet.
They will not be swayed by pressure from outside the GB to make any change in policy no matter what may be happening in their congregations to witness children and families. Instead they continue on business as usual while attacking (ad hominem) the whistleblowers while making no answer to the contentions made. Their followers will do what they say or be disfellowshipped. They will not be told they are wrong, they will hold the power over the people forcefully and brutally. Forcefully because they threaten those who question them with DF or DA. Brutally because they now cannot deny they know of the abuse and molestation problem but will make no changes that could alleviate suffering for witness children.
They obviously think they are superior to not only their followers, but all people on earth. After all they are at the head of Gods only true organization on earth.

In fact "superiority complex" is far to tame to describe what they are. What kind of person will not take advice or make immediate necessary changes in the face of tremendous scandal? A tyrant!

tyrant
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty
2 a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power

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The Governing Body and the Anointed

by greendawn in

according to jw theory all those taking the memorial emblems are part of the body of christ and therefore should participate in the status and functions of the anointed.

if we are to say that some of these "anointed" are just fruitcakes or spiritually immature, what about all the rest?

why are they so invisible, nowhere heard or seen contributing to these anointed functions?

misocup

As for the R&F not spotting such glaring discrepancies it's up to us to point them out and raise some doubts in their minds. If they say "oh well the FDS will in time fix this anomaly" we can argue "but why don't they correct it now when it gets pointed out to them? What are they waiting for? With what motive are they ignoring the correction of these anomalies and prolonging their existence?"

If they are really directed by Jehovah, why would anything need correcting? Wouldn't everything already make perfect sense?

btw, what are R&F (rank and file?) and FDS?

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This Greber 'coverup' is disgusting, Isn't it?

by AK - Jeff in

i had proven to myself, with help from ray franz and others, that the 'truth' was not the 'truth' about three years back - so in most cases i have paid little attention to further proof.

once proven, always proven, right?.

then this week, i began to do a little research into the greber thing - i typed in greber watchtower to my google seach.. 465 hits - and started to read a few of the websites.

misocup

Franz dismisses the seriousness of this mistake, his explanation of how it occurred seems to make sense. However, when you are making a claim of Divine guidance you must be held to a much higher standard spiritually and legally. It prompts the question, if Jehovah were guiding the WBTS, would he allow this to happen? It implies that God is not capable of influencing the minds of the people at the very top of His representative organization on earth at a time when proper and accurate guidance is most needed, the last few years of this system of things.

This mistake, when combined with the many other inaccuracies in the teachings of the WTBS, and their other secret activities, should provide enough documentation to prove the organization false. The WTBS should be held responsible for their policies and the damage they have done to people all over the world.

I am curious about the membership levels. Does anyone know if they are lagging or booming?

Franz wrote:
On the Aid material, all articles were always read by and, if considered necessary, edited by at least one other person on the project staff. So I am certain to have at least reviewed the writeups of the two articles you list. And I am equally certain that in doing so the thought of Greber's being connected with spiritism never entered my mind. I was doing circuit and district work in the Caribbean at the time the October 1, 1955 and February 15, 1956, articles came out with their information on Greber. I read them of course, but in the years that followed between then and the start of the Aid project in 1966, I also read thousands of articles in the 240 other Watchtowers and the 240 Awakes published during those ten years, plus many other publications. I would no more remember his name than I would remember the name of Doctor Rumble or Jean Brierre, mentioned on the same page with him in the 1955 magazine, or Bishop Samuel Fallows, mentioned on the same page with him in the 1956 issue. Had I remembered the brief mention of him in the 1955 and 1956 articles I am sure it would have caused me to express concern over the use of his translation. It was not until after leaving the Brooklyn headquarters that the issue of the propriety of quoting from Greber's translation ever came to my attention. What is true of me is, I believe, true of the others working on the Aid project.... I believe most of the staff members I knew would have conscientious qualms about quoting anything connected with spiritism, other than in discussing the wrongful aspects of spiritism... [11]