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  To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 Reconsidered...

  by MADMARY in

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  watchtower society “contradicts” the bible – where and why?.

  god's word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort his holy message of truth by saying:.

  “5 every saying of god is refined.

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  Watchtower Society “Contradicts” the Bible – Where and Why? (Part 2)

  Even though such a drastic action upon God's own part may seem surprising to many Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, still such a scenario is not without biblical precedence, that is Jehovah taking an active role in blinding his own people. Apparently, He has done this before. For instance we have Jesus' own words at:

  
  John 12:39, 40, where Jesus does actually say, JEHOVAH HIMSELF, yes Jehovah, purposely blinds his own people, when they deliberately turn a deaf ear to his prophetic message of truth.
  
  John 12:39, 40 (New World Translation) says:
  
  "The reason why they were not able to believe is that again Isaiah said: He [Jehovah, and not Satan] has blinded their eyes and he [Jehovah] has made their hearts hard, that they should not see with their eyes and get the thought with their hearts and turn around and I should heal them."
  
  Also please consider God's direct actions upon the wicked false prophet as shown at Ezekiel 14:9, 10 which says:

  
  "And as for the prophet, in case he gets fooled and actually speaks a word, I MYSELF, JEHOVAH, HAVE FOOLED THAT PROPHET; and I will stretch out my hand against him and annihilate him from the midst of my people Israel. And they will have to bear their error. The error of the inquirer will prove to be just the same as the error of the prophet."
  
  

  Does not Jehovah say above, he himself has taken this direct action against the false prophets among His Name People? That point is quite clear, isn't it? We can see clearly exactly who is taking this Divine Action against these wicked prophets among His People. -- See also 1 Kings 22:19-23 where Jehovah is said to have put "a deceptive spirit into the mouths" of all the false prophets among His people.

  THE REAL REASON FOR THIS ACTION ON GOD’S PART

  We must keep in mind, the real reason for God's drastic action here is shown for us in Acts 28:27 which says:

  
  "For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes; that they should never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn back, and I should heal them." -- New World Translation
  
  

  You will notice above, Paul points out these individuals have deliberately "shut their eyes," so that they would never, ever see with any understanding of the message from God. They are doing this, deliberately! Is it any wonder, in all such cases Jehovah chooses to deliberately blind such individuals, on a permanent basis? This is because they have blatantly refused the truth, from God's own hand in fact. Think about it.
  
  Therefore after considering the above situation, if we consider the possibility that Jehovah Himself is actually blinding these people, and actually "SENDS" ... SENDS [instead of "lets go"] this "operation of error" to them, we can better understand His actions here, since ALL of these people have been righteously "Judged" by Him for deliberately refusing the truth and worse, "taking pleasure in unrighteousness" before Him.
  
  At this time, it would be good for us to seriously examine other bible translations, OUTSIDE of the New World Translation itself, to get a more accurate rendering, yes to really get at the truth of the matter.
  
  For example, the New International Version renders 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 more correctly by saying:

  
  "For this reason GOD SENDS THEM a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

  Clearly, Jehovah takes this action (sending a powerful delusion) because THESE WICKED INDIVIDUALS "refused to love" and believe the truth (verse 10) and have instead taken pleasure in outright "wickedness" and falsehoods before God. In other words, they prefer "wickedness" over righteousness and truth. Think about it!
  
  Therefore, Jehovah "SENDS" this "powerful delusion" upon the "Man of Lawlessness," as a righteous recompense for "taking pleasure in unrighteousness." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:12 New World Translation
  
  The apostle John advised first century Christians to always, "test" every inspired expression, to see if this really came from God. Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses today, should be willing to also "test" every saying, every so-called "inspired" saying (found in a particular translation of the bible, like the New World Translation), even those expressions coming forth from the mouth of the Watchtower Society. No, the Watchtower Society and the New World Translation itself, is not exempt from this kind of examination, isn't that so? Still, we notice many, many Jehovah's Witnesses actually refuse to do this, repeatedly, to their own harm in the end. In other words, they publicly display to all they are NOT "Beroeans" actually, as they should be. -- See Acts 17:11; 1 Thessalonians 5:21; 1 John 4:1.

  For more information on this topic, please see the link below:

  Watchtower Society “Contradicts” the Bible – Where and Why?

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  To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 Reconsidered...

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower society “contradicts” the bible – where and why?.

  god's word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort his holy message of truth by saying:.

  “5 every saying of god is refined.

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  Watchtower Society “Contradicts” the Bible – Where and Why?

  God's Word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort His Holy Message of Truth by saying:

  “5 Every saying of God is refined. He is a shield to those taking refuge in him. 6 Add nothing to his words, that he may not reprove you, and that you may not have to be proved a liar.” -- Proverbs 30:5, 6

  As we progress in our discussion below, we will see just how appropriate such words spoken of above, are for our day and time, as it affects Jehovah’s Witnesses today.
  
  Referring specifically to the "operation of error" and it’s horrible effect upon the "Man of Lawlessness," and those who follow him, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12, in the New World Translation, specifically says:
  
  "So that is why GOD LETS an operation of error GO TO THEM, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness." -- New World Translation
  
  Millions of Jehovah's Witnesses have been taught by the Watchtower Society, the "operation of error" is permitted to go forth from Satan, as Jehovah "lets" this happen to the "Man of Lawlessness." And this particular understanding of prophecy is even suggested in the actual wording of the New World Translation itself, since as shown above, the translation clearly says 'God LETS...LETS an operation of error go to them.'

  However if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, had you ever considered the possibility it was Jehovah himself who actually SENDS [not "lets go"] this "strong delusion" (English Standard Version) or "powerful delusion" (New International Version), or "operation of error" upon these wicked people, His Own People in fact?

  Would that thought surprise you?
  
  Many keen students of scripture have noticed to date, no other bible translation on record so far, other than the New World Translation itself, renders 2 Thessalonians 2:11 in this peculiar manner. In fact upon investigation we find, it is a unique Watchtower rendering, this 'letting go' the operation of error itself. Perhaps, you may have noticed this too in your personal bible study and research. Yes, it seems all other bible translations available to date, all render the expression as saying:
  
  God SENDS...SENDS

  the "operation of error" or "powerful delusion" upon the "Man of Lawlessness" and his wicked followers. Were you aware of these facts?
  
  Therefore, if the above bible renderings cited above of this verse (verse 11) is more accurate, more correct, then this would automatically mean, Jehovah himself is taking an ACTIVE ROLE in blinding this nefarious entity, the "man of lawlessness," explicitly for the express purpose of PERMANENTLY BLINDING these people because as it says,
  
  "in order that they ALL MAY BE JUDGED,"

  
  

  …just as the verse says, "… because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness," no doubt, even refusing it when it was repeatedly offered to them. Think about it! -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12

  For more information on this topic, please see the link below:

  Watchtower Society “Contradicts” the Bible – Where and Why?

  
  

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  To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: Isaiah 49:7 Reconsidered...

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to active jw's who think outside the box: isaiah 49:7 reconsidered.... jehovah witnesses believe and teach, the servant prophecy of isaiah 49:1-7 is fulfilled in jesus.. verse 7 of that chapter tells us:.

  “this is what jehovah, the repurchaser of israel, his holy one, has said to him that is despised in soul, to him that is detested by the nation, to the servant of rulers: “kings themselves will see and certainly rise up, [and] princes, and they will bow down, by reason of jehovah, who is faithful, the holy one of israel, who chooses you.” -- isaiah 49:7 nwt.

  the above verse tells us that "kings and princes" of this earth will "see" [or understand] and will "rise up" [out of respect] and also "bow down" [in obeisance] to god's servant.. therefore we must ask ourselves this question, when did this ever happen to jesus during his earthly ministry?.

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  To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: Isaiah 49:7 Reconsidered...

  Jehovah Witnesses believe and teach, the Servant Prophecy of Isaiah 49:1-7 is fulfilled in Jesus.
  

  Verse 7 of that chapter tells us:

  “This is what Jehovah, the Repurchaser of Israel, his Holy One, has said to him that is despised in soul, to him that is detested by the nation, to the servant of rulers: “Kings themselves will see and certainly rise up, [and] princes, and they will bow down, by reason of Jehovah, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who chooses you.” -- Isaiah 49:7 NWT

  The above verse tells us that "Kings and Princes" of this earth will "see" [or understand] and will "rise up" [out of respect] and also "bow down" [in obeisance] to God's Servant.

  Therefore we must ask ourselves this question, when did this ever happen to Jesus during his earthly ministry?

  As we all remember, the Watchtower Society and all Jehovah's Witnesses have long taught ALL of the Kings of the earth (who are a part of Satan's wicked political system) will utterly be destroyed at Armageddon.

  How can this be?

  To get more information on this topic, please see the article:

  Will the Kings of the Earth Ever "Bow Down" and "Serve" Jehovah's Messiah???

  
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  “A Man Caught-up To … Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)

  by MADMARY in

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  “a man caught-up to … paradise” (2 corinthians 12:2-4).

  above, we cite the verses that speak of "a man," a certain "man in christ" in fact, yes hearing words .... ... "unutterable words" or as some translations say, "inexpressible," or "unspeakable" words...words which man "cannot say," words that are considered by some "unlawful" [or unscriptural] for a "christian" man to even speak.

  "heretical" words, words of "apostasy,” or even possibly, "blasphemy" against god!

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  The "Two Kingdom Concept," spoken of above, will satisfactorily resolve the seeming conflict between 1 Cor. 15:24 & Revelation 22:5. This was a problem we never could resolve under the Watchtower Society's teachings and leadership. These two verses are speaking of two very different kingdoms.

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  “A Man Caught-up To … Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  “a man caught-up to … paradise” (2 corinthians 12:2-4).

  above, we cite the verses that speak of "a man," a certain "man in christ" in fact, yes hearing words .... ... "unutterable words" or as some translations say, "inexpressible," or "unspeakable" words...words which man "cannot say," words that are considered by some "unlawful" [or unscriptural] for a "christian" man to even speak.

  "heretical" words, words of "apostasy,” or even possibly, "blasphemy" against god!

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  “A Man Caught-Up To … Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)

  Above, we cite the verses that speak of "a man," a certain "man in Christ" in fact, yes hearing words ...

  ... "unutterable words" or as some translations say, "inexpressible," or "unspeakable" words...words which man "cannot say," words that are considered by some "unlawful" [or unscriptural] for a "Christian" man to even speak. "Heretical" words, words of "apostasy,” or even possibly, "blasphemy" against God! Some would say this. -- 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

  Words about a "man in Christ" chosen to bring a special "covenant" from God, words about a coming, Chosen "Servant" of God. (See 2 Corinthians 12:2-4; Isaiah 42:6; Isaiah 49:8; Many may recall, the renowned Nobel prize winner and playwright George Bernard Shaw once said, "All great truths begin as blasphemies." This statement we believe is quite true.)

  In fact, these same words we speak of, were foretold to have been already said, yes, said many years ago, by the "prophets of old," as being words we would call today "Sacred Secrets," [Greek: mysterions or "mysteries"] from God Almighty Himself, Jehovah. -- Acts 3:21, 24; Revelation 10:7; Revelation 22:6

  Well in short, in capsule form, let us say the following:

  We believe the Holy Scriptures teach a "Two (2) Kingdom/Two (2) Messiah" Concept, many years now hidden within the Holy Bible itself, hidden by God Almighty Himself. (It is our considered opinion, the false teaching of 1914 and indeed the entire bible itself can never be successfully unraveled without a good understanding of this new concept. For example, the question of how long the “Davidic Heir” rules could be better understood finally, with this new concept in mind. Then too, can we really say Jesus came from or was a fleshly descendant of Adam & Eve, making him their “seed”? -- See Luke 1:32, 33 versus 1 Corinthians 15:24; Also Genesis 3:15.)

  This new concept we speak of, namely the "Two (2) Kingdom/Two Messiah" Concept, was actually first pioneered by Donald C. Burney, ever since the summer of 1990, when he was still an "active" Jehovah's Witness. And nine months later, since May of 1991, when he officially left the Jehovah's Witnesses organization himself, Mr. Burney began to gather an elite group of thinking, very open-minded "beroean" like Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who were to assist him as first, the TWMC Information Center and later as the YORWW Congregation. (The initials YORWW stand for: “Yah Our Righteousness World Wide,” and is taken from the bible text of Jeremiah 33:16.) -- See Acts 17:11.

  And so, the following information we will present to you, these "unspeakable words" Paul spoke of then, are really NOT unsayable, or not so "unspeakable," "inexpressible" in themselves. No, but they are only perceived ... perceived as such, by modern-day religionists and bible scholars of our time, invariably because of centuries and centuries of faulty indoctrination from religious, institutionalized thinking, and rigid, inflexible, unrelenting church dogma, that has been heaped upon mankind by way of long-held "traditions of men," traditions that continue to drive sincere, truth-seeking individuals away from the truth, Divine Truth, much as it did during Jesus' day. Ohhhhhhh yes it did. Even Jesus’ disciples and 1st century Christians were affected by this. (See Mark 6:52; Mark 8:17; Hebrews 5:11.) So then, this circumstance we face today, is in fact, the exact same circumstances that Jesus faced in his day. -- See Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:9.

  So it would be like saying ‘the earth is round’ when everyone thinks it is flat. It would be a paradigm shift.

  Thus, we can confidently say, then these seeming "inexpressible words" that we speak of, these "words" that some would say or act as though from a human point after years of indoctrination, would be considered yes, "un-explainable" ... words that some would say are actually "impossible to explain," or even "impossible to say" ... are actually not at all! And just as it meant "life" for those who listened to them back in Jesus' day, it will mean the same thing today, for all mankind, in our modern society. -- See John 6:68; John 8:47; John 12:48. Think about it!

  Jesus promised us:

  “13 But when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come [or the future]. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.” -- John 16:13, 14 NIV

  “Two (2) Possible Messiahs”??? Could the “Davidic Heir” be a future earthly King?

  See 2 Samuel 7:11-15

  
  

  In mankind's great quest for Bible Truth, Knowledge and Understanding, we are fortunate to find the words of our Grand Creator who gives this incredible invite for us:

  "Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you GREAT AND HIDDEN THINGS that you have not known.”

  -- Jeremiah 33:3 English Standard Version

  
  

  Yes, "great and incomprehensible things," all told in the "time of the end." Things that were "not known" to us before. Yes, "great things" like the identity of the "Small Horn" and "King of the North" of bible prophecy, and the “Scapegoat” teaching of Leviticus 16:10. (Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 11:40, 41) Also, "incomprehensible things" like an explanation of the Magnificent "Glory of Jehovah," so often spoken of in the book of Isaiah, and how Jehovah chooses to use the small nation of Jamaica in His Glorious Purposes. (Isaiah 40:5; Isaiah 66:18, 19; Zephaniah 3:9, 10) Indeed, all of the "Sacred Secrets" of God was foretold to come to fulfillment and be explained fully, in the "time of the end." -- Daniel 12:4; Habakkuk 2:2, 3; John 16:13; Revelation 10:7

  Then, we notice in verse 6 of the same chapter of Jeremiah, Jehovah states He is going to surely "reveal an abundance of peace and truth" during this special time of enlightenment. -- Jeremiah 33:6 New American Standard Bible

  
  

  All of this of course, suggests to us these hidden, great “truths” we speak of, are really “incomprehensible things” that were "not known" or revealed to mankind prior to the advent of the "last days" or "time of the end." The bible says this would be true. For instance, let's consider Isaiah 42:16:

  “And I will lead the blind in a way that they do not know, in paths that they have not known I will guide them. I will turn the darkness before them into light, the rough places into level ground. These are the things I do, and I do not forsake them. ” -- Isaiah 42:16 English Standard Version

  Also, let's consider Isaiah 48:6:

  “You have heard; now see all this; and will you not declare it? From this time forth I announce to you new things, hidden things that you have not known. ” -- Isaiah 48:6 English Standard Version

  
  

  Therefore it would be during this special time, the "time of the end," when all great truths such as the book of Revelation and other prophetic books, are due to be finally revealed by God Almighty, the Great "Revealer of Secrets." This would be where great "sacred secrets" like the mysterious "Man of Lawlessness," who was to be fully "revealed" in the "time of the end," and other great "sacred secrets" also. -- See Isaiah 11:9; Daniel 2:28; Daniel 2:47; Daniel 12:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 8; Revelation 5:1-6; Revelation 10:7; Revelation 22:6.

  Indeed, this "man in Christ" would incredibly experience the glorious fulfillment of Psalms 45:4 which amazingly says of him, and how he uniquely learns things from God Almighty:

  "...Let YOUR RIGHT HAND TEACH YOU awesome things!"

  -- New American Standard Bible

  
  

  No question but that when we consider the above inspired words, we must remember the fact that Jesus Christ had a pre-human existence as the "Word of God," long before becoming a man on earth. (See John 1:1.) Which means no doubt, Jesus learned all of the many "awesome things" he knew, DIRECT [IN PERSON] FROM HIS HEAVENLY FATHER JEHOVAH, when he existed in the very Presence of God Almighty, for millenniums upon millenniums of time in heaven, long before coming to earth as a man.

  Thus we are forced to understand this verse, this Messianic Prophecy then, COULD NOT in any way shape or form, apply to Jesus Christ while on earth. Is this not so???

  All of which means then, this "man in Christ" actually learns these "awesome things," differently. He learns then, not because he is in the actual heavenly Presence of Jehovah as Jesus was for eons and eons of time, per say. No, but this "man" learns in essence, day-by-day, or "morning by morning," gradually on a daily basis, in the "east gate" as it were, exactly ... exactly as the inspired prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel said he would. So, he learns from God then as a frail, human on earth would, a human with human capabilities and human limitations, mentally-speaking. Think about it. -- See Isaiah 50:4; Ezekiel 44:3; also please compare Psalms 78:2, 3 New World Translation.

  In the light of this type of situation, truly explains why this “man in Christ” was told, these words that he was hearing, were to be viewed as “unutterable sayings,” “unspeakable words,” words “which man may not utter,” words that normally without God’s extraordinary help, a simple man could not speak with conviction, at least before the proper time for it. In view of the tremendous opposition he must face, from particularly Jehovah’s Witnesses, former and current, it must be God’s Timetable for it. So first this chosen man, this chosen vessel, must become the first “Christian,” to hear this while being “caught up” [Greek: harpazo] spiritually to the “third heaven” or “Paradise of God,” in essence. -- Psalms 40:6; Isaiah 49:1-7; Isaiah 50:5; 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

  For more information, please see this link:

  “A Man Caught-up To… Paradise”

  
  

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  “Bablyon the Great has Fallen”

  by lastmanstanding in

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  what have you not heard lately?.

  .... no discussion on “babylon’s fall”.

  by 1919 it was apparent that jehovah had passed judgment on christendom​—and indeed on all false religion.

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  See this article:

  "Babylon The Great -- What Is It?"

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  interesting interview with Barbra Anderson

  by joe134cd in

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  interesting interview with barbra anderson.

  of special note is a comment at the 1:11 - 1:13 regarding ted jaracz.

  https://youtu.be/q0rmrh3pupy.

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  BRANCH OVERSEER : "Apostates are GOOD people !"

  by Aleph in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite incredible.during his talk, the branch overseer, made a special talk dedicated to the apostates.. he clearly emphasis his point, "apostates used to be between us, really you can talk with apostates, those people are good, of course their point of vue is different than ours now but they are mostly very nice poeple, and you shouldn't be afraid to talk with them.

  "though as usual, the reaction of the brothers was quite the same, impassive, i was very surprise by this statement.i cannot assume if this is just a one man step ahead towards the apostates, or really a change in their policies, this came from the mouth of a branch overseer.of course, for obvious reason, i won't give the name of the brother, which is famous, but only here in an central european country.i would have expected him to quote more scriptures, but he didn't, he could have use the one for jesus himself :"you should love your enemies", as apostates were really the "enemies" for the wtbs for such a long time, maybe now that the king of the north is awaken, apostates are not so bad after all ?

  just wondering....

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  See article:

  "Jehovah's Witnesses & Revelation 12...A Glimpse into the Future"

  
  

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  Holy Spirit - Present or Gone in the Congregations?

  by BourneIdentity in

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  i was doing some reminiscing and remember the days back in the late 80s and early 90s where i truly could say the meetings were so encouraging and that i felt the holy spirit present and operating on all of us.

  today when i attend, there is nothing of the sort.

  is it because jehovah has withheld it?

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  Hi Borneidenity,

  Since the Holy Spirit is invisible, a human cannot see it. To answer your question properly we have to look to hard evidence to prove that the Holy Spirit does or does not exist and is active and exists among Jehovah Witnesses or not. All of this means to a person who does not believe in God or the bible, despite all of the evidence presented, still the Holy Spirit will never ever exist to them. Remember, the Bible tells us that even the demons believe God exists because they can see Jehovah does exist where as humans cannot. – See James 2:19

  Yes, Borneidentity the rank and file JW doesn't even resemble a Jehovah Witness from the 80’s or 90’s or in 2001 which was the last time I was inside a kingdom hall. I believe Jehovah has taken His holy spirit away from the organization.

  Please check out my thread at this link called, “Is The REPORT Book (1994) Prophetic About Jehovah Witnesses?,” which I believe makes this very point.

  There was another thread last week where an unbelieving mate with a JW for a wife of 10 years, he gives a description of his wife and asks the question, “Is my situation unique?”

  This unbelieving husband says his JW wife goes to all meetings as he takes her. But if he asks about the bible or how a meeting or assembly went she changes the subject and will not talk about it. She simply refuses to witness. He even says his wife will not even pick up a bible or Watchtower literature to read or study at home.

  So, this man (Steel) just wants to know if his situation unique or has this happen to other Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  I believe we are seeing evidence today that God’s Holy Spirit has been taken away from the JW organization.

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  Is The "Report" Book (1994) Prophetic About Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by MADMARY in

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  steel.

  so ubm here.i have a jw wife who in 10 years of marriage i have never seen actually read the bible, never given a witness to me, never had a biblical discussion.

  for a number of years now hardly even reads the magazines.

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  So, is it true that Jehovah' Witnesses have strangely lost their will, desire, and motivation to preach their "Good News" message to the world? (Matthew 24:14)

  Could this explain why the door to door/house to house work is down by all accounts around the world, with so many leaving the pioneer ranks and returning to secular activities and money making in the world? (Acts 20:20)

  Could this possibly explain why at the assemblies, we are seeing more and more children at the ages of eight or nine from Witness families being baptized instead of adults being baptized?

  If this is true and the preaching work is down everywhere, then could this explain why they have gone to the 'sit-by-the-cart- no-talking preaching method, where the free literature talks for them? Of course this type of preaching eliminates the need to defend their beliefs, if challenged. (1 Peter 3:15)

  Why there is even talk and speculation that they are going to get rid of in the near future counting hours and turning in field service time, no doubt because the preaching work is down everywhere.

  Hmmmmm,

  I wonder, could this and other factors be considered HARD EVIDENCE that Jehovah God has indeed taken away His Spirit and blessings from this apostate organization and people? (See Zechariah 4:6)

  So you mean, Jehovah's Witnesses... just don't "witness" no more?

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