i actually attended the bookstudy on friday, don't ask me why.
anyway the revelation book is being considered and we're at the paragraph where the congregation in ephesus is comended for "not bearing bad men.." apostates.. .
the comments from the ones attending were so baised and ignorant.
To all who, due to circumstances, continue to attend meetings, even sporadically, you have my admiration. I don't know how you do it. If I went back I think I would have some sort of major psychological episode right in my seat.
Thoroughly enjoying every meeting I miss,
Nvr
the public talk was how satan uses his demons to stumble us.satan knows where we live,work and what we do at work and home.his demons use television,music,the internet,movies,sex and apostates to stumble faithful jehovah's witnesses.. the "spiritually weak" are what the demons look for because they can be attacked so easily.these are the ones who don't have studies with their families,watch too much television,go on the internet looking at apostate sites, brothers and sisters who are obsessed with sex,taking too many vacations,the love of money and all the pleasures of this world.that is why the wts loose so many members each year.. what they never tell you the real reason why most members leave are:,.
lack of love,elders as judges arrangment,inconstistency in teachings,1914 generation change,theological dishonesty,scholastic ineptitude,favoritism within the boe,hypocrisy, and false prophesies.. .
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OUTLAW,
Too late on the Las Vegas thing. Ever seen Celine Dion's show. You figure it out.
Satan's everywhere,
Nvr
the april 15, 2007 watchtower revolves around the congregation, it's benefits and requirements.. the second study article is let the congregation be built up.
under the subheading sticking with the congregation the society acknowledges those who cannot accept a certain teaching even after doing research in their publications.. .
para 14 consider another possibility involving the congregation.
News Flash
For any apostates interested in starting their own group(that is the true agenda of all apostates) the society has explained the one all-important element that will legitimize said group. Give a bunch of guys the title of Elder. Give another bunch of guys the title of Ministerial Servant. Now you're ready to open shop!
Thanks for the tip WTBTS,
Nvr
the april 15, 2007 watchtower revolves around the congregation, it's benefits and requirements.. the second study article is let the congregation be built up.
under the subheading sticking with the congregation the society acknowledges those who cannot accept a certain teaching even after doing research in their publications.. .
para 14 consider another possibility involving the congregation.
I love how we never actually learn what teachings these people have a hard time accepting. Instead they just act like their problems are their own and not the organizations.
Exactamundo drewsagan,
I've had this discussion with my aging father. Why don't they just come out with a point-by-point rebuttal of all the major apostate "lies and half-truths"? What are they so afraid of? If they really are lies and half-truths this should be painfully obvious to the r&f, thus bolstering faith that this is God's one and only organization and deepening the resolve to avoid apostate "propaganda".
Knowing it'll never happen,
Nvr
the public talk was how satan uses his demons to stumble us.satan knows where we live,work and what we do at work and home.his demons use television,music,the internet,movies,sex and apostates to stumble faithful jehovah's witnesses.. the "spiritually weak" are what the demons look for because they can be attacked so easily.these are the ones who don't have studies with their families,watch too much television,go on the internet looking at apostate sites, brothers and sisters who are obsessed with sex,taking too many vacations,the love of money and all the pleasures of this world.that is why the wts loose so many members each year.. what they never tell you the real reason why most members leave are:,.
lack of love,elders as judges arrangment,inconstistency in teachings,1914 generation change,theological dishonesty,scholastic ineptitude,favoritism within the boe,hypocrisy, and false prophesies.. .
.
A loud AMEN! from over here Brother Rules. AMEN!! Tell it out!
Feeling the spirit today,
Bro. Nvr
the april 15, 2007 watchtower revolves around the congregation, it's benefits and requirements.. the second study article is let the congregation be built up.
under the subheading sticking with the congregation the society acknowledges those who cannot accept a certain teaching even after doing research in their publications.. .
para 14 consider another possibility involving the congregation.
They're losing so many to doubts that the "Where else would we go?" scripture should be the yeartext for 2008.
Loving every minute of it,
Nvr
does christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses = watch tower bible & tract society?.
i have noticed more and more boe letters and congregational letters that are written by the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses".
letters from the society are supposed to come from the watch tower bible & tract society.
Hello undercover,
Remember they only engage in righteous lying.
Hello Blondie,
Thanks so much for the quotes about the Jonadabs. This is great, unbelievable stuff most of us knew about but chose to forget long ago. Thanks for refreshing the memory.
the april 15, 2007 watchtower revolves around the congregation, it's benefits and requirements.. the second study article is let the congregation be built up.
under the subheading sticking with the congregation the society acknowledges those who cannot accept a certain teaching even after doing research in their publications.. .
para 14 consider another possibility involving the congregation.
The difficulty in engaging in logical dialogue with the org. is that they genuinely believe their own propaganda. Remember, they're all just "victims of victims".
They're losing people right and left,
Nvr
so this always bothered me and i could not quite figure out why.
it wasn't just the reasoning, it felt more like the motivation behind it was flawed as well.. according to jw theology, any anointed that pass away get resurrected to immortal life in heaven---- no more death or even the possibility of death.. the "other sheep", "great crowd" have to go through armageddon, behave righteuosly for 1000 years, and then pass another test only to receive.
everlasting life of the mortal kind---- death is always lurking because if you screw up ---zap---- you're outta there.
Hello zack and dismembered,
Very interesting thread. It seems that this point continues to stir controversy within the org. to this day. Allow me to elaborate. The Revelation book made a statement about those on earth being indelibly written into the book or scroll of life after passing the final test at the end of the Millenium. The more open-minded, positive Witnesses latched on to that, feeling relieved that the final test would be indeed final . This was a departure from the old-school "if you screw up at any time during eternity you'll be vaporized" interpretation. As often occurs, the more closed-minded, negative Witnesses remained entrenched in the "old" interpretation being the masochists they are. To this day, one can find Witnesses of both persuasions. I seem to recall that the latest QFR on the topic ended in the famous 'we don't really know, don't speculate, even though you've learned from our example to engage in lots of wild speculation, we're allowed to because we're the FDS, but you should just think what we tell you to think.'
does anyone know the publication in which they made the change from 1874 to 1914 being the beginnning of the last days?.
or was it a gradual thing?.
thanks.
Hello Mrchuffster,
Don't forget that before 1874 was changed to 1914, 1799 was changed to 1874. Seriously. Russell got all his chronology from the Millerite movement and pyramidology. Seriously. I hope you don't get too nauseous researching this stuff.
Sincerely,
Nvr
