Damn Gnat. that's some hard shit you're going through, and while I can see why you remain silent in cases like that, your son I mean... and if your family is as crazy as you describe, and having heard from you and knowing just how rational you are, then you get a damn pass.
I hope things work out better for you in the future, cause that's some harsh crap you're dealing with there.
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78Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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Help! WHAT DO WOMEN AND WIVES WANT? What planet are they from!
by Witness 007 inwhy do women whine and winge and complain and then you give in...and they find something new to whine winge and complain about?
are they ever satisfied?
whats with mood swings every damn month from happy....to horney.....to angry mental case.....back to happy?
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That was so damn funny... thanks...
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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I gave the website with provided definition. I'll say no more about this fallacy other than to say that I think I've provided enough proof that "appeal to authority" is a known fallacy, especially the way you use it. Here's what you said...
"have been shunned by no one, and I've completed a double major in difficult subject areas. I'm currently in my second year of law school. How about you?"
Clearly, you are throwing up your degree in "difficult subject matters" in my face.... You are saying this like I should be impressed with all your accomplishments, as if that makes you right... it doesn't and is clearly not relevant. -
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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"it is a simple observation". Again a fallacy... you've never seen me, you do not know me, you don't know what I'm like as a person, so therefore you've made no observation as to my character simple or otherwise!... God, the fallacies just keep on rolling! LOL!!!!
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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Doe, you missed the point, so here it is again.
"You brought up your college degree as if it was relevant to this conversation, clearly it isn't and I doubt you were using it to show that you now go up against JW teachings as you threw it up in my face and asked me what I have achieved. Now, who's insecure."
Here's a site that defines "appeal to authority fallacy".. where did you go to school bro?
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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Doe, let's start with the threat.
Dawg, we all have our own methods. I'll guarantee you would not call me a coward to my face.
Doe, that's a threat, that you think I wouldn't have the nerve to say what I think to your face, and if I did, just what would you plan on doing...those are fighting words where I come from, but you don't get it as you then say. "What threat?"
Then you state...
"Bravery has nothing to do with JW issues. Furthermore, my family knows my position. Out of mutual respect for each other's beliefs, we don't try to push them on each other. That's a concept you seem to not understand".
And you continue...
"I am not outspoken. I never claimed to be. What I said is my family knows my position. I have told them what I think of JW policies. At the same time, I'm not on a rampage to make them adopt my beliefs, nor do I claim to have a monopoly on being right. I take offense at your words because they are judgmental, narrow minded, and not constructive".
Then you state...
"I have directly told them I think jw's are a controlling cult without truth".
I have never spoken any words this harsh to my family.... yet you're not outspoken... You contradict yourself and if you don't see it, then I'm sorry for you.
Then the fallacies continue as you compare two unlike things and attack character...
Only the insecure would see otherwise. (ad hominem) Furthermore, "appeal to authority" (this is in fact a fallacy) is not a fallacy. A legitimate appeal to authority is a relevant basis for argument. Why do you think expert witnesses must give their educational background and experience?
You are not in court, and you are no expert on the subject we are discussing. You brought up your college degree as if it was relevant to this conversation, clearly it isn't and I doubt you were using it to show that you now go up against JW teachings as you threw it up in my face and asked me what I have achieved. Now, who's insecure. -
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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Mickey, read all posts, then reply... I've already stated there are many ways to confront that are just as effective.
What I'm seeing here is people that are saddened by their actions and are throwing their crap on me. Look at all posts and see if you can find anything useful that may help you get your family out. -
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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As far as the truth goes about the borg... yes, the evidence is overwhelming I do have that truth... as far as the truth about life... I'm open
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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dawg
Doe says "I have directly told them I think jw's are a controlling cult without truth". Read your last few posts, find the contradictions... you're going to law school?
And please, don't throw your education around, I'm not impressed with that-it's called an appeal to authority fallacy... I was just accepted to law school this year (UGA grad), if I can find the way, I'll go. -
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Why do you put up with crap off your JW famlies?
by dawg ini see where many of you have jw family members that give you a ration of crap once in a while; i've heard many rationalizations as to why some of you refuse to speak out.
as many of you know, i wrote a series of letters and exposed my apostasy formerly; in the letters i told my family they had better beware of shunning me of treating me like a pile when they run into me, i realized that i couldn't make them accept me into their houses, but in public was a different matter.
i basically told them that in public, especially at funerals, that i would rain down a load of crap on any family member that shunned me or treated me badly in anyway.
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I'm sorry fadeout and Doe, but that pig don't fly. Are you really going to sit here and tell all us ex-JWs that your families don't confront YOU about this JW mess? And the both of you can sugarcoat it all you want, but to not speak your mind, say what you truly feel is an act of cowardice.
You can do it many ways, if you'd read this whole thread you'll see that I didn't come out on the attack but came out slowly and stated my case.
Doe doesn't say what he does, but from his posts I can see he doesn't do anything.. how's that working out for you Doe? I've gotten 3 of my relatives to speak out openly by writing my letters, and by their acts of courage many more may be rescued. But saying and doing nothing you enable fools to enslave your families and friends, then your retort is you don't want to alienate them.
GET this point folks, you are alienated yourself if you can't say what you feel, it's them that has that power over you not vice versa. And that's the point, doing nothing accomplishes nothing. You can call me childish or anything you like but your actions speak volumes.
I think the both of you feel ashamed and embarrassed that you don't take a stand... as I said in a previous post, my hard line stand took years, and you can start yours today at a slow pace, but doing nothing means that no one know how you feel. And that's fear that keeps you from doing what's right.