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  Do believers in demons use them to avoid responsibility for actions?

  by gaiagirl in

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  the wtbts teaches that "the whole world is lying in the power of satan" and that "satan controls all the governments".

  also, even that sincere members of all other churches good works all are service "to demons".

  so, when a jw, or other person who believes in demons, commits a wrong act, do you observe that they blame it on satan or demons instead of accepting responsibility for their own actions?.

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  Anti-Christ

  Maybe they believe that they could have been duped so it makes them feel like they are not evil and it's not totally their fault they are just incline towards evil. This does bring other problems. If we are influence by a supernatural being ( I know we are not ) and we are somehow flawed, then we can not really be guilty of sin and the ransom belief falls apart. That's one of the reason why I don't believe in Christianity.
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  Deceptive or just wrong?

  by johnnyc in

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  i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

  in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

  however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

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  Anti-Christ

  I think PrimateDave just gave the best answer.

  Just to add one more thing, the goal of every powerful organization is to maintain that power and continue existing as long as possible, think about that.
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  How's this for irony? This week's book study lesson

  by sir82 in

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  in this week's book study lesson, there is a paragraph on "greed".

  the following comment is made (chapter 8, paragraph 17):.

  a christian who loves kindness will certainly not exploit his fellow worshippers.

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  Anti-Christ

  The irony is, that they discourage relationships with people of the 'world'. They also discourage getting a good education and having a career, thereby producing a large number of people who lack skills and drive - these ones are often attracted to multi level marketing businesses in the hope of getting rich quick with the minimum of qualification and skill but whose customers are mainly their fellow dubs. Then they get dealt the guilt card with articles like this. Talk about setting people up to fail and/or feel guilty whatever they do!!!

  They make my temperature rise......

  That is an excellent point!

  It sounds like you are describing my dad, he lost all of his money in these multi level businesses, of course he was recruited by other JW.
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  OMG! a horrible lie in the July WT with a jesus pic....

  by oompa in

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  bad day today...how the hey did everyone miss this??

  ?....or did i miss a post about it?.....i am not supposed to talk about anything jw with my hardcore jw wife...but while on the toilet takin care of biz..i was reading the lit she leaves in a basket...it was a wt..july 08, but dont know which one....once i showed it to her it disappeared...but damm the last page i think... it had a drawing of jesus and the text under it said this "jesus used the name jehovah in his prayers"....or close....and that is a fluckkin lie!...zero support for it!...so i said just freakin show me where he did...i think my pants were still down...i had already come to terms with the fact that jesus never once uttered the name jehovah ever...because what kid...esp in a serious discussion with his dad (like prayer) would ever call him by his first name???

  ?...she disagreed...how i dont know...but where is the evidence that jesus ever said the divine name in a prayer?!?!!??

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  ...my wife just cried...damm why do i do that!.....i wish i could honor our agreement and just shut the fluck up...but that pic and caption just made me explode!.......sorry.....oompa

  It's not easy to lie( to our self ) in order to make other people happy.
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  OMG! a horrible lie in the July WT with a jesus pic....

  by oompa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bad day today...how the hey did everyone miss this??

  ?....or did i miss a post about it?.....i am not supposed to talk about anything jw with my hardcore jw wife...but while on the toilet takin care of biz..i was reading the lit she leaves in a basket...it was a wt..july 08, but dont know which one....once i showed it to her it disappeared...but damm the last page i think... it had a drawing of jesus and the text under it said this "jesus used the name jehovah in his prayers"....or close....and that is a fluckkin lie!...zero support for it!...so i said just freakin show me where he did...i think my pants were still down...i had already come to terms with the fact that jesus never once uttered the name jehovah ever...because what kid...esp in a serious discussion with his dad (like prayer) would ever call him by his first name???

  ?...she disagreed...how i dont know...but where is the evidence that jesus ever said the divine name in a prayer?!?!!??

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  again...any religion that would change the bible to suit their fancy can not be trusted

  I guess that means you can not trust any christian religion.
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  Deceptive or just wrong?

  by johnnyc in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

  in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

  however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

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  Anti-Christ

  Anti-Christ: I did not compare Jesus with the WT. I said "Jesus Disciples". And I believe the examples are very similar, as Jonah himself was upset about being made to look foolish for he prophesied something that did not occur. If you don't like that example, make a comment on the example on the fact 1st, 2nd, and 3rd century Christians all thought the end would occur in their time - and peached such.

  I know you said Jesus disciples, my point is that it seems that you are comparing the disciples to the RF and the WT to Jesus and the bible maybe I did not understand properly.

  You ask, what would a JW think of reading those Awakes or WT's that suppose the end would occur in 1975. I say, what about any Christian reading the Christian Greek Scriptures to which it was clearly said the end would occur around that time?

  These things are very different and if you really believe that the WT is the word of god then we have a bigger problem. Now about Jonah

  Jonah 4 (New International Version)

  New International Version (NIV)

  Jonah 4

  Jonah's Anger at the Lord 's Compassion

  1 But Jonah was greatly displeased and became angry. 2 He prayed to the LORD, "O LORD, is this not what I said when I was still at home? That is why I was so quick to flee to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. 3

  We can debate how to interpret this verses but that's not the point the point is that the Wt does not give all the information that is necessary to make a balance and unbiased discussion, like I said they believe the bible is the word of god and it is not, is this deliberate, maybe,maybe not, but the important thing is they do not have the truth. p.s. thanks for taking the time to respond.
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  Deceptive or just wrong?

  by johnnyc in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

  in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

  however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

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  Anti-Christ

  I get the point now, like I said the blind leading the blind. How can they get predictions right when they use a flawed book.
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  Deceptive or just wrong?

  by johnnyc in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

  in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

  however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

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  Anti-Christ

  What if Jonah were to have created a document by which he announced (as God's prophet) that Nineveh was to be destroyed? Yet that didn't happen. For that matter, what about the Apostles and disciples of Jesus time who taught the end would occur in THEIR generation? I can go all day with references to seemingly "failed" predictions. You ask, what would a JW think of reading those Awakes or WT's that suppose the end would occur in 1975. I say, what about any Christian reading the Christian Greek Scriptures to which it was clearly said the end would occur around that time? Paul encouraged Christians back then NOT TO GET married since the end was so close...

  First who are using the same kind of reasoning the WT uses

• Bad Analogy:

  claiming that two situations are highly similar, when they aren't. For example, "The solar system reminds me of an atom, with planets orbiting the sun like electrons orbiting the nucleus. We know that electrons can jump from orbit to orbit; so we must look to ancient records for sightings of planets jumping from orbit to orbit also."

  Or, "Minds, like rivers, can be broad. The broader the river, the shallower it is. Therefore, the broader the mind, the shallower it is."

  Or, "We have pure food and drug laws; why can't we have laws to keep movie-makers from giving us filth?"

, I will point it out to you. The story of Nineveh was about repentance, if they did not repent they were going to be destroyed. You compare Jesus with the WT, it's the disciples that got it wrong not Jesus, it's the WT that got it wrong not the RF. You compare the WT and Awake to the Greek Scriptures but the Wt and Awake are not suppose to be inspired from god like the bible is claim to be. One problem is that they give out have truths and use mind control like many religions. The other problem is that they say the bible is the word of god and yet it is not. Clear case of the blind leading the blind,( yes I know the irony of using that saying.)