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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  the mistake jehovahs witnesses .

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  on sunday, march 10, 2008. .

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  Alpha,

  You said your Witness friend acknowledged that he doesn’t necessarily agree with the FDS on all points.

  I wonder if he agrees with their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 as it appears in the January 15, 2008 Watchtower. Does he believe that the Society received that appointment mentioned in verse 47 because they had been so faithful and discreet about what they had been teaching down till 1918-1919?

  If he doesn’t agree then I wonder why he still associates with the organization.

  Does he believe that despite what he doesn’t agree with, the Society is still God’s organization?

  Do you know how he feels about such matters?

  Don
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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  the mistake jehovahs witnesses .

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  Hi Alpha,

  You said, "I have studied with a Witness who decided to research some of the history after studying with me… The thing that didn't set any alarm bells ringing with him was that the conversation arose from discussing the Revelation Climax book's claim that "since the mid 1870s... 1914 was predicted as the START of the time of trouble. He even called Bethel to verify the information."

  If you showed him that July 15, 1894 Watch Tower where Russell predicted the exact opposite* and the Witness still allowed the "Revelation Climax" book and someone at Bethel to contradict what Russell said, it suggests that he is not yet ready to face the possibility that the Society may not be God’s organization.

  All we can do is try to bring important things to their attention as mildly and gently as possible and then leave it up to God to "give them repentance leading to an accurate knowledge of the truth" about the Watchtower Society and its Governing Body. – 2 Timothy 2:23-25

  I have to keep reminding myself that it isn’t the evidence we may have that will bring them back to their proper senses but rather it is God giving them repentance that will do it. (v. 25, 26)

  You did ‘ring a bell’ and it cannot be unrung. But God is going to have to help him understand what that ‘ring’ means. Apparently He won’t help someone get the sense of what it means until they are willing to face what it means. i.e. the Society is not His organization.

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  * Russell said, "Bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning but the end of the time of trouble."

  Don Cameron
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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  the mistake jehovahs witnesses .

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  Correction:

  The January 15, 2008 Watchtower says that the article in question will be considered during the week of March 10-16. Apparently the actual Watchtower Study will take place on Sunday the 16th rather than on the 10th, which falls on a Monday.

  Don
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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  Hi Hubert,

  I'm working on an answer to your post.

  Don Cameron
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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  t33ap80c

  Hi Guest,

  The article that will be studied on March 10, 2008 is in the January 15, 2008 Watchtower.

  Don Cameron
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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  Hi Lady Liberty,

  Someone made a PDF of the January 15, 2008 Watchtower available for download. But I don't remember where I got it.

  I'd like to change my user name from "t33ap80c" to "DonCameron" but I don't know how to do it. If anyone knows how this can be done please let me know.

  Don Cameron
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  The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008

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  The Mistake Jehovah’s Witnesses
  Are Going To Make
  On Sunday, March 10, 2008

  The upcoming March 10, 2008Watchtower Studyarticle once again presents the Society’s interpretation of the most important Scripture in its theology. It is the ‘foundation cornerstone interpretation’ upon which their religion rests:
  

  "When Christ inspected the faithful and discreet slave’ in 1918, he found those anointed ones on earth to be faithful in providing spiritual ‘food at the proper time.’ Hence, Jesus was pleased thereafter to appoint them ‘over all his belongings.’ (Read Matthew 24:45-47)" – January 15, 2008 Watchtower, p, 24, par. 1

  The mistake Jehovah’s Witnesses are going to make on Sunday, March 10, 2008 is when they will answer the question for the above paragraph without ever having checked to see if what it says actually happened in Watchtower history. They will simply take the Governing Body’s word for it that the Society had been so faithful and so discreet about what they had provided in the way of spiritual food up to that time that Jesus gave them the awesome appointment mentioned in verse 47.

  But those of us who have stopped making this mistake now realize that rather than Jesus being pleased at what he would have found, we now understand why Raymond Franz said,

  "It would be an insult to Christ Jesus to say that he selected this organization on the basis of what it was teaching as of 1919."
  

  Although we may have fought their efforts at the time, we are now grateful to Ray and others who helped us correct our mistake.

  Question:

  Are there any sincere Witnesses left out there who would want to know that the upcoming Watchtower Study is not going to tell them the truth about the Society's history again?

  If so, is there a way to inspire them to want to make the same inspection they have been told that Jesus made? They have plenty of time to do so before the above Watchtower Study.

  Does anyone have suggestions on how to go about helping them to make such an inspection between now and then? My own suggestions are in Chapter 21 of "Captives of a Concept."

  Don Cameron
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  If you STILL believe in GOD, what do you believe is the RIGHT way?

  by Bourne in

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  i should preface this by saying that this is generally directed towards the premise of still believing in the christian god, the bible as the inspired word of god, and the desire to worship him in spite of the disillusionment of the jw "take" on "true" christianity.. i am left with many unanswered questions, but don't get me wrong, i don't have "having all answers" listed as a prerequisite to worship god, because even the bible doesnt list all answers, ......faith is expected in at least some areas.

  so........that said....... please grace little ol' me with your sincere answers to the following questions:.

  1. is this the last days?.

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  t33ap80c

  I kinda like the way Russell expressed it in 1895 when he said...
  "Believe and obey so far as you understand God’s Word today."

  Don Cameron
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  What is the "Good News" Magazine being advertized???

  by slmdf in

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  have you seen the ads for the "good news" magazine?

  it looks suspiciously like the wt.

  same type of photography and layout... anyone know if this is an offshoot of wt or a copycat or something?.

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  Hi RR,

  You said, "Armstrong taught that Jehovah and Jesus were co-eternal."

  Unfortunately I no longer have Armstrong's "The World Tomorrow" magazine but it seems to me that a couple of his articles went something like this:

  "Jehovah is not the Father of Jesus"

  Somewhere he made the statement: "It is commonly believed the Jehovah is the Father of Jesus Christ. This is not true."

  "Who was the LORD of the Old Testament"

  As I recall he taught that Jesus was in fact the LORD (i.e. Jehovah) of the Old testament. I wrote several letters dealing with Psalm 110:1 which seems to indicate that Jehovah and Jesus are not the same person. Again, unfortunately I am unable to find my notebook with all his stuff in it.

  I remember how he explained that "Elohim" is "a uni-plural noun" meaning that therefore God was a family of more than one person.

  I've been receiving the magazine "Triumph" which is put out by the church of Philadelphia (or something like that).

  Don Cameron
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  Is there new information coming out on the generation?

  by okiesooner1966 in

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  hey,.

  i was talking to my mom the other day and she said they have new information the generation topic.

  i asked her if it was about the 1914 fiasco and all she said was she had something for me to read next time i see her.

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  Someone over at Paradise Cafe said that their October Awake! hasn't changed the Society's "the Creator's promise" statement as it has been written since 11/95.

  I wonder why the Governing Body changed the statement on their website but left it the same in their magazine.

  Don Cameron