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in a study that explores the close relationship between the social history of early christianity and the textual tradition of the emerging new testament, ehrman examines how early struggles between christian "heresy" and "orthodoxy" affected the transmission of the documents over which, in part, the debates were waged.

his thesis is that proto-orthodox scribes of the second and third centuries occasionally altered their sacred texts for polemical reasons--for example, to oppose adoptionists like the ebionites, who claimed that christ was a man but not god, or docetists like marcion, who claimed that he was god but not a man, or gnostics like the ptolemaeans, who claimed that he was two beings, one divine and one human.

whereami

So because he chooses to do these things he wrong?

He's wrong to discuss something that has already been discussed?

This is his field of expertise, why shouldn't he? Last I checked he continues to teach at Chapel Hill and continues to fill his classes on these subjects.

Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like you're upset he's bringing out these skeletons in christianity's closet again and being quite successful at it.

It almost sounds like the Jw that says "yes, yes that's been explained already, that's how we used to think, we now have new light, no need to dwell in the past".

Atheists Just Don't Want to Believe

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jw's mentioned around 9:00 min.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szp_qw0-txg.

whereami

JW's mentioned around 9:00 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szp_QW0-txg

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Faith in fakes, frauds, phonies, fools, cons, and charlatans.

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faith is a virtue?

give me a break.

wake up people.. .

whereami

Sure does.

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Redemption, Salvation, Atonement? The fly in the ointment

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i posted this paine quote in the middle of another thread but thought it deserved its own.

this principle eluded me before reading the age of reason.

it's such a simple, basic concept of justice and yet so many christians miss it (as i did) or ignore it.. .

whereami

the bible is a progressive revelation of God and God's will

Now where have I heard that before? Hmmm....let me see.

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Faith in fakes, frauds, phonies, fools, cons, and charlatans.

by whereami in

jw
friends

faith is a virtue?

give me a break.

wake up people.. .

whereami

Faith is a virtue? Give me a break. Wake up people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uILsSniSPVc

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The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament.

by whereami in

the victors not only write the history, they also reproduce the texts.

in a study that explores the close relationship between the social history of early christianity and the textual tradition of the emerging new testament, ehrman examines how early struggles between christian "heresy" and "orthodoxy" affected the transmission of the documents over which, in part, the debates were waged.

his thesis is that proto-orthodox scribes of the second and third centuries occasionally altered their sacred texts for polemical reasons--for example, to oppose adoptionists like the ebionites, who claimed that christ was a man but not god, or docetists like marcion, who claimed that he was god but not a man, or gnostics like the ptolemaeans, who claimed that he was two beings, one divine and one human.

whereami

Again, none of his views were new and they had been discussed over and over, but for Bart, personally, it seems that they need to be voiced again.

PSac you keep mentioning this as if it means something. Can you please expalin this?

The Lord is my shepherd.

by whereami in

"its bugged me for ever that christians are proud of the 'fact' that the 'lord is my shepherd'.

(psalm 23).

it's one of the earliest things taught to children is that farm animals get eaten, and sheep are no exception.

whereami

"Its bugged me for ever that Christians are proud of the 'fact' that the 'Lord is my shepherd'. (Psalm 23)

It's one of the earliest things taught to children is that farm animals get eaten, and sheep are no exception. If the lord is their shepherd, he's not being nice to them just out of love or care, but because of their deadweight at market.

Yup, and would you believe that psalm 23, -The Lord is my Shepherd, is one of the most quoted, and most read Bible verses. It's jaw droppingly, well funny I suppose that billions of christians have read this verse, and as far as I can tell none have them have put this verse together with what they learned when they were 5, that there is no happy ending for the sheep.

If the verse is meant to confer the concept that their god will care for them, then a better metaphor would be 'The Lord is my Nanny'. Irrespective it embodies the concept that someone else will care for you, and there is no encouragement for self-improvement or development. In summary its a statement of pedomorphic desire and intent as a mainstay of the Christian religion.

Ironically this would of course count as bad parenting anywhere. No good parent should encourage their children to remain children in perpetuity. The sole goal of the parents should be for their children to supersede their ability!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFw5TsAi1Mk

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Jehovah's Witnesses, an Atheist, and a Christian. MUST SEE/HEAR VIDEO!!!!

by whereami in

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part 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x4h154knxq.

part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p4s2co-j9s.

whereami

bttt