ever since i was a kid i wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school.
i remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school.
seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.
Thanks for all the answers...it sounds like what I thought it would be.
It is wierd that you were not allowed to see your publisher record. It was encouraged in the congregation I grew up in to ask to see it.
Oooo...I would love to see the Elder's book. (I am just like a little kid...if I ain't supposed to see it, I want to see it even more!)
ever since i was a kid i wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school.
i remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school.
seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.
Ever since I was a kid I wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school. I remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school. Seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.
That always bothered me. If the pioneers were the ones that were spiritually stronger than the average publisher, why did they get to have an extra book to help them?
Can anyone give me an idea? or post any of a past pioneer book???
yessss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he was taken away in handcuffs, and dateline got the whole thing.
watchtower is tarnished.
This is the guy in NH that was already found guilty. The two daughters have now filed suit against the local congregation and the WTS.
Interestingly, I personally know one of the people that gave a personal recommondation for him at his sentancing hearing. She is a very sweet, sincere person. It just goes to show that you can never know what is going on behind closed doors. If she really knew what was happening she would never had testified on his behalf.
in the bible times, men 'could'/'did' shave their faces?.
the question comes from a conversation with my father (elder).
he says the reason why all men had beards was that they could not shave them because there wasnt anything sharp enough.. i am sure their swords were sharp enough alone to do it.. (he is very against people growing beards, i guess it pisses him off that i've got a goedee now hehe)
What I want to know is why I used to get an evil look for not shaving my legs?heehee
i have rarely found anything written by active jws here.
it causes me to wonder if this was actually set up by an active jw and got out of hand.
especially since the site asks us not to stumble our brothers.. ooooo....i have been warned about evil boards like this!!
I have rarely found anything written by active JWs here. It causes me to wonder if this was actually set up by an active JW and got out of hand. Especially since the site asks us not to stumble our brothers.
Ooooo....I have been warned about evil boards like this!!
Also, why is it that most of the time I click on a member's personal website it is for some MLM business? It is interesting to see that MLM, so prevelent in JWs is still being carried out by those that leave, heehee.
i have been reading a lot about the lawsuits against local congregations and the wts regarding sexual abuse, and how it is perceived that the organization actually shields the abuser.. well, in many cases, this is true.
i don't believe that it is true in all.
but, my point for this post is that these lawsuits brought forward will acutally be good for jws.. why?
I knew the response for the spanking comment....that is why I put that in there...I like to hear other's views. Bruises, that is different you have to take action if you know that it is more that an occaisional spank (I know many won't agree with me here) As far as an employer goes....I should say that my idea of a spanking is one that does distracts the child when nothing else will work. It doesn't have to actually be painful to be effective. Employers are responsible for my upbringing, but parents are. The employer can fire me. Anyhoo, that is my defination of spanking, and I do respect those that believe differently on that defination.
But any sign of sexual abuse to me...it really does boggle my mind how anyone can just shrug that off. Especially those that are entrusted with offering help to their flock. And the WTS need to decided whether they want to be considered actual clergy or not, because they do use that as an excuse often even though they claim elders are not clergy.
And you are right...the victims are of the upmost concern here. I just hope that these lawsuits will cause an attitude change so that there will be less victims in the future,
what are the most stupid jw rule?.
what do you consider to be the most stupid rules or tradition of the jw lives?
im thinking about any kind of rule or regulative that only has one answer to the questions why:.
Women are not allowed to give talks from the platform.
Women have a very limited role.
Hey...I don't care what they say! Sure the women do the bulk of the pioneering, etc...but what decisions do they really make in congregational matters? I remember how excited our congregation got when we redocorated the hall. Finally, woman had somewhat of a say! I still say somewhat because the new decor looks like it will only be complete with a moosehead mounted on the wall.
And how unkind that you cannot wear pant suits??? Winter is cold...and there are a lot more women that grin and bear the cold to go door to door than men in New England. There are some very modest and tasteful outfits that would not "stumble" people.
I am not saying it has to be a battle of the sexes...but I got pretty sick of women cowering towards their husbands wishes all the time because they needed to obey their husband. Even in non spiritual things...like how do you decided where you go for vacation? Oh, the brother wants to go here, but the wife wants to go there...then she should shut up and put up.
Before I married my nonJW husband we decided who would have the final decisions on certain things (due to what we each had expertise in) and all other decisions would be made jointly. And lo and behold, so far so good.
Another thing that REALLY bugs me!!!! The practice of allowing...no ENCOURAGING teenagers to get married! As long as they are marrying with in the faith it is okay if they are 16, 17 etc... And the age differences...It kind of makes me leery when a 35 year old man is allowed to court and marry a 17 year old girl. How about giving the kids a chance to grow up?
what are the most stupid jw rule?.
what do you consider to be the most stupid rules or tradition of the jw lives?
im thinking about any kind of rule or regulative that only has one answer to the questions why:.
Hey, Mommy!
I know that the beard and hair rule varies from area to area. Where I live in New England you NEVER see a brother with a beard or funky hair (or at least one that has privillages) but go to bigger metro areas and it seems that there is a lot more leeway. We have bald brothers up here though.
The elders there sound anal.
if you are an employer, never hire a jehovah's witness.
the reason for this is simple: that mistake may cost you a lot of money!
you can bot expect a jehovah's witness to do what they are told to do, but you can expect them to do the oposite!
Hey...hey..hey!
I had several jobs as a practicing witness, worked with other witnesses and never had any problems. When I interviewed as a waitress I explained upfront what I would and would not do...no problems.
I can I point out the several other jobs I have had are NOT low end jobs such as janitor, waitressing, etc. that many equate JWs with doing. It's not the religion you have to consider...it is the character of the person, and you cannot lump all JWs with the bad apples. I have worked with plenty of JW boobs as well, but no more than other boobs of different religions.
I have to say that while that site has some interesting pieces, it is pretty useless. It is sooooo onesided against JWs I cannot take any of it seriously. And I consider myself an exJW.
Just my two cents. =)
i have been reading a lot about the lawsuits against local congregations and the wts regarding sexual abuse, and how it is perceived that the organization actually shields the abuser.. well, in many cases, this is true.
i don't believe that it is true in all.
but, my point for this post is that these lawsuits brought forward will acutally be good for jws.. why?
I have been reading a lot about the lawsuits against local congregations and the WTS regarding sexual abuse, and how it is perceived that the organization actually shields the abuser.
Well, in many cases, this is true. I don't believe that it is true in all. But, my point for this post is that these lawsuits brought forward will acutally be GOOD for JWs.
Why? Well, it would be ignorant to claim that this is the only religion where abusers have been shielded. Wasn't it the lawsuits of the 80s and 90s that brought the worldwide attention of the Catholic Church's shielding abusing priests? While things seemed to have moved slowly with that church, I bet the priests today are a lot more careful about hanging out with kids undersupervised. And many parents' have become leary of trusting someone just because they are a member of the cloth.
As more and more of these cases against abusing witnesses and the WTS hit the news, the organization will take a much harder look at how they are handling these situations. And hopefully, offer better training to the elders. In the state I live in, it is illegal for the abuse NOT to be reported...hence one of the current lawsuits against the local congregation.
This is an opportunity for the organization to refine its polices because it is the RIGHT thing to do. Hey...if an abuser is reported and found guilty and sent to jail, then he is paying what is due to ceaser...if he ever does become repentent, well, let him be reinstated. But, the flock needs to be protected from these wolves, even the ones that may actually be diverted from such behaviour in the future.
In the this same state it is also considered illegal for a parent to spank a child. I would never report anyone for a simple spanking; sometimes this is discipline that is appropriate. However, sexual abuse can NEVER be seen as a form of discipline, and I do not see how any person can feel that they can circumvent the law in this regard.
I do not believe that the policies of the WTS are to shield the abuser. I think what is happening is that the the lines have been too blurred between protecting the society's name, over actually doing the godly thing and getting the evil from out of the congregation. This is a difficult thing for ANY religion to deal with. However, any organization that can actually practice what it preaches will be revered by those within and outside of the congregation.
Inside of wasting time and money fighting the lawsuits that are legitimate (there will always be a few questionable ones) the legal department should work on coming up with a legal and moral solution to this dilemna. Hopefully, that is what they will do.
