Posts by flipper

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I'm a father first!

by FatherFirst in

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hi guys, this is my first post; i thought i should introduce myself.

i was raised and spent most of my life a jw before i was disassociated, because i refused to stop seeing a non witness girl.

i must say their decision to cut me off from my family and friends although initially traumatic ended up being the biggest blessing in disguise of my life.

FATHERFIRST- Welcome to the board ! Your daughter is very lucky to have a father like you that's looking after her welfare. As regards most everything you stated about the WT Society I agree- although I take it one step further and call them a " criminal organization " - because THAT is what they are. Thousands of people have died due to their no blood transfusion doctrine. Their child abuse policies have led to children being ripped apart physically and mentally and emotionally, and the shunning policy has led to many suicides within the JW cult or organization. How much more criminal can they get ? Space won't allow me to write about ALL the criminal actions they take

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Please help me figure out my dreams

by Socrateswannabe in

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friends

hi everyone, this may be the stupidest post ever.

i am stumped for an answer and would love to hear your opinions, though.

every week or two for the last couple of years, i have a dream--or at least that's what i'm calling it--that consists of me waking up or thinking that i've waked up, and seeing the ceiling of my darkened bedroom filled with algebraic equations.

flipper

SOCRATES- Are you sure you aren't an extra actor left over from the movie " A Beautiful Mind " ? That's what Russell Crowe did in that movie writing all kinds of mathematical equations on the board trying to figure it out. LOL. Just joking. In reality it's hard to say what it means. Perhaps in your earlier life you were having problems with math - who knows ? Or perhaps it's a message telling you that in your current life you are trying to figure things out in life and it's as difficult as a complicated math situation. That may be it. Without knowing your circumstances it's hard to say.

I have kept track of all my dreams in a diary the last 4 + years and it's really helped me. I've got over 426 pages of dreams logged now over that time. It's a real trip ! But interesting. I've read some books on psychological dream work therapy - very interesting as well. I highly recommend Frederick Perl's " Gestalt Therapy Verbatim " from the late 1960's with his dream work seminars at Esalan Institute near Big Sur , California very interesting stuff to see how people worked through understanding their dreams

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KH 1st timer, could use some advice

by rathernotsay in

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friends

hey people, .

i am soon going into a kh for the first time and i could use some advice around etiquette etc.

i know next to nothing besides the fundamental beliefs of jws, i personally dont believe in any religion, and that stance isnt ever going to change, however i don't want to come across as rude or disrespectful.

flipper

" RUN BAMBI RUN ! There's a forest fire in the kingdom Hall ! RUN for your life !!! " Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

RUBADUB- That's hilarious ! Believe me afterwards the thought did go through my demented mind about what would happen if I urinated on the cart- but you know- it's one of those passing thoughts that goes through your mind and you think " I better dislodge that thought " and I move on. LOL. Thanks

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Richard Dawkins Promotes ABC's Expose of Child Abuse in the Watchtower

by cofty in

the story is painfully familiar.

children are sexually abused in a closed-off cult that is averse to secular justice.

the victims either dont dare accuse their influential tormentors, or, if they do, no one believes them.

flipper

Good to hear Cofty- this case needs as much media coverage and exposure as possible. Thanks for posting

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

JAMES MIXON- Yeah, I agree with you it's better not to debate scriptures or JW doctrine with these JW Cart people. Just stay on topic about WT child abuse. JW's are trained to try to go off topic and do circular reasoning on issues- why feed into it ? I agree. I think these people still see me as a non-JW as I told them my family are JW's but I'm not. So I'll stick with that still when I talk to them again.

PAINTED TOE NAIL- I REALLY like your idea about holding up signs that say " these people protect pedophiles " and list the names of the child abuse victims. EXCELLENT idea ! Because passerbys can write down the names and google them on the Internet in the privacy of their own homes and do research. In fact- I think your idea is the BEST idea I've read on this thread yet ! Good job !

ON THE WAY OUT- Thanks bud. Believe me- the thought crossed my mind to throw the entire Cart into the trash, but I'd never do that. I had lowered myself a bit already by tearing up the WT literature right in front of them and throwing it away- didn't want to accelerate the situation- believe me- it was already tense with " skinny arse grandpa elder " getting on his high horse throwing away my information. LOL . I'll go back though and hopefully talk to some different JW's there. The last two days I still see the JW cart there but different people are sitting there. I'll probably try again next week . Perhaps I'll hold up a sign or something like Painted Toe Nail said.

SPECTRE- I liked your comment- it's cool.

GLITCHY- Thanks for sharing your experience with your mom. Wow. It really proves what Finkelstein was saying is SO true- JW's will protect the reputation of the organization even above admitting criminal activity is being hidden within the walls of Kingdom halls. Thanks for providing the links to Reveal news and Trey Bundy's reports and links regarding this. Very important documentation exposed. Good work.

PETE ZAHUT- That's a really great idea you have to put these you tubes on some kind of a playback device and go show it to the JW's at the JW Carts. Actual footage of the ABC news report - then if they don't want to listen to it they can just run away from their JW cart areas ! LOL ! Gotta love it.

OPUSDEI 1972- Thanks, I really tried to show them reality. It's hard because they are so closed minded. But maybe they'll check it out on the Internet.

JW LEAKS- That is REALLY funny ! Awesome picture, awesome post ! Yep- I've got a " prostate " problem, not an " apostate " problem ! Love it.

SMIDDY- Thanks. I hope I did plant a seed in one or more of them. We shall see. I'm looking forward to going back next week and talk to hopefully some more of them. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

WOOPS ! I missed answering Clarity on pg. 3 !

CLARITY- Thanks for your support I appreciate it. It is a hot topic right now and I'm just trying to stoke the fire and keep it hot- thus the reason I approached the JW cart people. Who knows ? Perhaps you might try it in your area ? You never know what might happen. Take care, thanks for your kindness, my wife says " hi " as well

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

Wow ! Lots of responses ! Thanks for responding. I'll try to catch up on page 3 responses. My son and his girlfriend are comin' over for dinner - so I'll try to answer as much as I can before they come.

MORPHEUS- Yeah, I agree with you- I think " Sister Talkative " was blowing smoke when claiming the elders told the molester he couldn't come to the kingdom hall. They'll say anything to prove a point. Kingdom halls ARE public buildings like you said.

FINKELSTEIN- You make a very good point- very true- that the JW's are programmed to protect the image of the WT organization at all cost. I mean- it's incredible to what lengths a JW will go in order to do this. I've seen JW's do some pretty criminal things JUST to protect a criminal organization like the WT Society. It's amazing what I've seen through the years.

GAYLE- I'm glad that you feel inspired by my experience to go be proactive yourself. It sounds like you've been doing a great job in your neighborhood in waking people up as well ! That is awesome what you did in supplying JW.FACTS information to your neighbors. Good for you- keep the good work up.

REDVIP2000- You know- I thought afterwards if I did the right thing - or not- by throwing away their WT literature , I wondered if I should have shown myself as more dignified and hand their literature back to them - but then I thought - " what the hell " if they were going to show disrespect for the information I was attempting to give them I was going to show them I did not value their information as well. I felt MY information was just as important as theirs- probably MORE important indeed. So I did what I did and now I still stand by that decision.

JAMES MIXON- Well, you make some good points. I presented myself as a non-JW I only have relatives who are JW's. I never attended meetings here where we live- I attended over 90 miles away so nobody here knows I was a JW many years ago. Total different area. I think any of us former JW's or not could stand about 50 feet away with signs and boards showing ' WT Society and Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Child Molesters " and it would do some good informing of people. It would probably be a good idea to set up away from the JW Cart people- LOL ! - if you set up right next to them it might start a riot. I think any media outlet could be contacted, local newspapers, T.V. to give it attention. If we know of certain child abuse cases that the local elders are sitting on we as concerned citizens could call child protection services in your local area to draw attention to the lack of action on JW elders parts. Putting up signs in stores on information boards- I've already done that at a couple stores about the WT child abuse cases. Lots of things we can do in each of our areas we live to make this REALLY heard and seen by JW's and non-JW's. We just have to get motivated to do it.

ABIBLE STUDENT- Thanks ! Personally I don't think it's a very good idea - at least for me anyway- to say I'm a former JW as it will turn the JW's away from listening to my message. I don't really want to talk shop, or talk doctrine with them because that tends to distract from the main issue I'm there to talk about : WT child abuse. I think it's a pretty safe tactic to just say I was never a JW but my family is in and I'm bewildered by their views and how they act . In that way the JW's will see me as a potential " convert " and want to communicate with me. If they see me as an ex-JW they'll turn into a brick wall and I won't get through to them. That's just been my experience anyway. My 2 cents here.

COFTY- Yes, I agree with you. It works better when presenting ourselves as never having been a JW. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Why do people "come back"?

by kairos in

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i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

flipper

Mind control is strong even in people who have left the JW organization. And if they don't research and READ or INFORM themselves of HOW they were manipulated and controlled by the WT Society mind control- it's very easy for them to go back- their brain neurotransmitters are still in locked down JW mode because nothing else has been installed into their brains. It's an actual physiological thing.

AND - Many go back out of fear and guilt being coerced or pressured by family or else pressured within their own minds due to the first point I made about the mind control still percolating in their brains. If they don't replace WT indoctrination with other information it will continue to be the old adage " garbage in , garbage out " it remains and festers in the mind. Just my 2 cents on the subject

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Do you want to take action to support mandatory child abuse reporting? (UK or US mainly)

by defender of truth in

this quote is just for discussion purposes, not my political bias or anything... .

" a 'revolution in attitudes' is needed to safeguard children from sex abusers, according to the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper.in an interview with the independent on sunday, ms cooper said that the problem was wider than the historic cases uncovered through the jimmy savile scandal and the abuse of hundreds of children in rotherham.she said that childrens voices must be heard by organisations which had failed to act in the past, and pledged that a labour government would make the reporting of abuse a legal requirement... we need to introduce mandatory reporting so that no institution can ever be tempted to think that the reputation of the institution matters more than the protection of the child ... there has to be a stronger obligation to report and to act.labour has included mandatory reporting in the partys pre-election manifesto and has also said it will set up a cross-whitehall unit to tackle child protection.

"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-sex-abuse-shadow-home-secretary-calls-for-revolution-in-attitudes-to-safeguard-vulnerable-10077725.html.

flipper

I signed the petition to make it mandatory to report child abuse. I hope many more sign so they get the required amount of signatures they need to get it put forth and passed