Posts by flipper

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Is the Watchtower is blind to Jesus' teachings?

by Fernando in

jesus ate with common sinners declaring that they were in (matt 21:31).. jesus denounced religious leaders declaring that they were out (matt 23 esp v15).. still the watchtower persists in making their own determinations, according to their own rules, who is in and who is out (prov 17:15).

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this is why the apostate watchtower ruling religious clergy class and hierarchy surreptitiously and contemptuously hate and obfuscate the unabridged gospel which teaches that a right and clean standing is imputed on the basis of grace (faith) and not merit (works).. are their similar instances that come to mind for you?.

flipper

" Is the Watchtower Blind to Jesus Teachings ? "

I'd think that's a pretty fair assessment. Yes indeed

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Need Help, what do you do when Elders try to bully you and your family with Lies and threats? I am inactive and hate them now!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i have a elder trying to screw with me because he protects pedophiles and claims they can be rehabilitated.

he's doing his jw attacks while nobody is around because he knows he can lie about me and my family even if there are three witnesses the jw elders don't do squat!

they cower because all the elders are terrified of this bully, he brags about how great his business is but i know so many secrets about him and his wife.

flipper

PHIL- I think the Carla you know is different than the Carla I know. The Carla I know lives in Northern California , not Southern California. Sounds like this elder is really evil and a financial extortionist. I agree with you- don't take it to the elders - they'd side with him. You need to get an attorney or get satisfaction through the small claims court ( which in California I believe is for any settlements under $ 5,000 . ) Get ANY printed or written documentation to prove your case against this guy. Even old bank records you or your wife had in dealings with him. But I would definitely speak with a non-JW attorney or financial advisor in order to seek justice. Just my 2 cents

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Need Help, what do you do when Elders try to bully you and your family with Lies and threats? I am inactive and hate them now!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i have a elder trying to screw with me because he protects pedophiles and claims they can be rehabilitated.

he's doing his jw attacks while nobody is around because he knows he can lie about me and my family even if there are three witnesses the jw elders don't do squat!

they cower because all the elders are terrified of this bully, he brags about how great his business is but i know so many secrets about him and his wife.

flipper

POKERPLAYERPHIL- Hell yes this is a " pure " ex-JW site. What did you think it was - the kingdom hall ? LOL . Anybody is welcome here , inactive ones, DFed ones, disassociated ones, midgets, carnies, and anybody abused , thrown out, and abandoned. So welcome to the board !

Strangely enough I knew an elder who was quite wicked who had a younger wife than him named " Carla " - I hope we're not talking about the same person. What would the chances be ? He tried screwing me over too , chased after me to get me DFed a lot about 7 to 12 years ago. Probably not the same person- but feel free to PM me his name anyway just to make sure. Kind of creepy.

It sounds like this guy is a real tool. An evil guy who has extorted money from you folks and people you love. You need to take him to task for his crimes. Take him to court. Get documentation that your wife did work for him and bust his balls. People like this need a good ass kicking. Don't let him get away with it.

Years ago I took an elder to task when I was in my early 20's as he refused to pay me overtime. He got in hot water with his elders over it- but he tried to manipulate the situation due to my young age and inexperience . He never did pay me back wages he owed me . I wish you the best my friend, stand your ground. And welcome to the board

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

FISHERMAN- You make absolutely no sense. I don't know what the hell you are trying to say. But whatever it is - carry on with whatever makes you feel comfortable. I'll carry on with the important message in this thread.

3RDGEN- Good point. I'm sure the perpetrators sue as well . But hopefully they won't get much if anything and get their due reward in prison

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Yet Another Putdown of Women! – KM March 2015

by SAHS in

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this weeks service meeting part (week starting march 23, 2015) in the our kingdom ministry under the heading meetings for field service that accomplish.

their purpose includes a little sub-article entitled when a sister must conduct.

the direct link is: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry/ click the little document download button under the one labeled km15 03-e us and then choose a format (pdf looks best)..

flipper

This is just insanity with the old patriarchal bat-$hit crazy view of women. It's ridiculous. WT leaders are so weird

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The Last Cup [please add an ending]

by compound complex in

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good morning, fellow posters and friends:.

please use your imagination to complete this little tale.

several endings came to me while drinking my morning cup of coffee on the patio.. thanks.. cc.

flipper

You , dear reader , may wonder why........ I just don't do a rain dance like our Native brethren did in the days of old from the romantic wagon train times of dusty, worn out trails from gold seekers scurrying out west to discover that precious yellow metal that brought extinction to our Native American Brethren - you ask ?

You ask ? Because if it didn't save our dear Native brothers and sisters , it's sure as hell isn't going to bring any rain either. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

by defender of truth in

positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

flipper

This thread needs to get bumped up just so people can see how messed up this situation is

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Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".

by kairos in

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judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).

what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?

( for good ).

flipper

CONFUZZLED- I'm so sorry that you had to go through all of that stress at those judicial meetings. It's hard for people to understand just HOW stressful those meetings are unless you've been in them being victimized like us. I know in the 9 months of harassment I received from elders I had to go on blood pressure medicine as it was stressing the hell out of me. I understand how stressful that must have been for you having to go on anti-anxiety meds just to go to meetings. I hope your life has calmed down now that you don't attend anymore. These elders don't realize just how much stress they put on people's personal lives by being so intrusive and nosy. Good luck to you- I wish you well my friend

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Yet Another JW Child Molester in the news and again its South Wales

by jimtheman699 in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007905/south-wales-jehovah-s-witness-36-sex-15-year-old-schoolboy-avoids-jail-sentence.html.

married jehovah's witness, 36, who had sex with boy, 15, after inviting him to sleepovers with her children avoids jail sentence .

she was spared jail by a judge at merthyr tydfil crown court today.

flipper

As I looked at this link and the article it showed the picture of Kelly Richards at the top of the article, but it shows the picture of another woman in two pictures in the middle of the page being escorted by a man into a car. Is THIS the same woman as the top of the page ? If it is my eyes are doing tricks on me ! The woman at the top looks nothing like the woman with the man in the middle of the article .

That being said- If this lady was having an argument with her husband and needed to vent why didn't she just go down to a pub and strike up a conversation with an adult man - instead of abusing and controlling a minor boy ? She needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Peace out, Mr. flipper

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Which should be shared with an active JW sexual abuse survivor?

by Illuminated in

this is involving a loved one who's a survivor of child sexual abuse who's life has been ripped apart by the wts.. i'll reword "survivor" to victim as he has gone in and out several times and is in currently.

the offender is still a good standing jw yet in a different congregation.he was disfellowshipped in his teens by the way, so it's harmed him even more psychologically.

which will have more of an impact in helping him realize the issue is coming from the top where they are intentionally hiding it?.

flipper

ILLUMINATED- Good thread. Thanks for providing those links ! I feel the ABC Nightline and PBS Newhour links were really great to show people the lack of responsibility from WT leaders as it showed how irresponsible the elders and WT representatives were on the witness stands in court with actual video footage of their testimonies.

As you and I have chatted on the phone- I feel if you showed him excerpts from the October 2012 confidential WT Society letter to the elders about how they DO appoint former child molesters as elders or ministerial servants - it's right there in writing in instructions from WT leaders to elders - it will show him how irresponsible WT leaders are. As opposed to the information given out in a 1997 WT where all the rank & file JW's read that child molesters are never appointed as elders or ministerial servants. So it shows the GB and WT leaders lie to the rank & file JW's and give OTHER instructions to elders in secret communications which most every JW will never read or hear about. I feel this may have an impact if you show him. If he's open enough to accept it. Good luck to you ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper