Posts by AlphaOmega

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Follow "The Christ" - New Light Needed ???

by AlphaOmega in

i found an article recently that uses the phrase "apparantly not" - that usually points to a change in teaching !!

it seems to be wt speak for "we were wrong, now believe this...".

thanks to blondie for digging out the old publications that taught that "the christ" was actually a composite term that consisted of (guess who) the anointed !

AlphaOmega

Atlantis - were those passages already underlined ?

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Follow "The Christ" - New Light Needed ???

by AlphaOmega in

i found an article recently that uses the phrase "apparantly not" - that usually points to a change in teaching !!

it seems to be wt speak for "we were wrong, now believe this...".

thanks to blondie for digging out the old publications that taught that "the christ" was actually a composite term that consisted of (guess who) the anointed !

AlphaOmega

Atlantis,

Thanks for these scans - you beat me to it

These will be handy to have to hand.

AO

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Follow "The Christ" - New Light Needed ???

by AlphaOmega in

i found an article recently that uses the phrase "apparantly not" - that usually points to a change in teaching !!

it seems to be wt speak for "we were wrong, now believe this...".

thanks to blondie for digging out the old publications that taught that "the christ" was actually a composite term that consisted of (guess who) the anointed !

AlphaOmega

I see how it works... makes you want to scream doesn't it ???

hopefully one day, a stark staringly obvious contradiction in teachings will AWAKEn people to it.

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Follow "The Christ" - New Light Needed ???

by AlphaOmega in

i found an article recently that uses the phrase "apparantly not" - that usually points to a change in teaching !!

it seems to be wt speak for "we were wrong, now believe this...".

thanks to blondie for digging out the old publications that taught that "the christ" was actually a composite term that consisted of (guess who) the anointed !

AlphaOmega

I found an article recently that uses the phrase "apparantly not" - that usually points to a change in teaching !! It seems to be WT Speak for "we were wrong, now believe this..."

Thanks to Blondie for digging out the old publications that taught that "The Christ" was actually a composite term that consisted of (guess who) the anointed !

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/134505/1.ashx

The "anointed class," who would number 144,000, were to be "resurrected" to heaven. These, together with Jesus would become The Christ, the Messiah or Savior for the world during the Millennium.
http://www.premier1.net/~raines/intro.html
. How Shall the Earth Be Subdued?
A. By the gods from the Pleiades
The July 18, 1923 Golden Age contained a follow up article. The article basically took up where Granger left off. It discussed how the Earth would be "subdued" according to the Genesis command by those who have "dominion." Since in Bible Student theology, this referred to the 144,001 Christ class or god squad sent from the Pleiades, it would be fulfilled by them during the Golden Age or Millennium. They would then, as the Sun of Righteousness, restore the lost dominion to those who became perfect in the flesh during the New Age.
http://www.premier1.net/~raines/electronman.html

It seems that they have had "New Light" since then

Don't you love it when they "go all out" to contradict a previous teaching with the phrase "apparantly not" !!!

Unless the GB have had massive doses of "New New Light", how can they infer that they are "The Christ" ?

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w639/1pp.539-540NamesforChristandHisCongregation***

"THE CHRIST
"We come now to a consideration of those terms or titles that apply or are used to refer to Jesus Christ apart from his body members. Among those that might be mentioned as found in the Christian Greek Scriptures are "the Amen," "Faithful and True," "the Faithful Witness," "King of kings and Lord of lords," "the Lamb of God," "Leader," "the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah," "Lord," "Potentate," "Savior," and "the Word." Clearly, the designations here referred to apply, not to Jesus’ body members, but to Jesus himself, even as do his more commonly used names, "Jesus," "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus."—Rev. 3:14; 19:11; 1:5; 19:16; John 1:29; Matt. 23:10; Rev. 5:5; 1 Pet. 3:15;1 Tim. 6:15; Luke 2:11; John 1:1; Matt. 1:21; Rom. 7:25; 8:1.
But what about the expressions "the Christ" and "Christ"? Does the use of the article with "Christ" designate something different from when no article is used? Might it be that, whereas the term "Christ" refers to Jesus Christ alone, the term "the Christ" could also include the 144,000 members of his body? Do the Scriptures support this thought or distinction?
No, they do not. Certainly Christ’s body members are not included in the words of Peter: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Then again, the 144,000 are said to rule "as kings with the Christ for a thousand years." How could they be said to be reigning with the Christ if they were a part of the Christ? Yes, there are many scriptures that distinguish between "the Christ" and the members of his body.—Matt. 16:16; Rev. 20:4.
In fact, the expression "the Christ" of itself at no time includes the members of Christ’s body.So the title "Christ," with or without the definite article, refers to Jesus Christ, the article serving to draw attention to or to emphasize his office as the Messiah. Christ is the Head and Bridegroom of the 144,000, his body or bride. That is why these ones are said to be "in union with Christ," to "belong to Christ," and to be "Christ’s body."—Rom. 12:5; 1 Cor. 3:23; 12:27.
The fact that Christians are said to be "in union with Christ" does not mean that they can be spoken of as "the Christ," anymore than the term "Lord" can be applied to them because children are told, "Be obedient to your parents in union with the Lord."—Eph. 6:1.
How, then, are we to understand 1 Corinthians 12:12? This reads: "Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although being many, are one body, so also is the Christ." Does not the term "the Christ" in this instance include the body members? No, apparently not, for what Paul is here discussing is the body of Christ separate and distinct from its Head. That is why he sums up his argument in verse 27, saying: "Now you are Christ’s body, and members individually." At verse 12 Paul is evidently using an elliptical way of speaking in connection with the Christ, a form of speech not uncommon in the Scriptures. So we could paraphrase Paul’s words at 1 Corinthians 12:12 this way: ‘Just as the body, though being a single entity, has many members, so it is with the body of Christ, that is, those associated with or belonging to Jesus Christ.'
In other words, the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures do not make a distinction between "the Christ" and Jesus Christ. Illustrating this point is Ephesians 2:13, which says: "But now in union with Christ Jesus you who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ." Compare also Ephesians 1:10, 12, 20.

So we watch and wait for them dig out their old publications delcaring themselves as "Christ, saying 'I am he' ".

I'll try to dig out a scan of the full article.

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ALERT: All Child Abuse Lawsuits have been settled. Millions cashed out???

by What-A-Coincidence in

re: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/116108/1.ashx.

a bethel insider in the know told me that all of the child abuse lawsuits where the watchtower bible and tract society was one of the defendants were settled back in the beginning of this year.

i questioned it and called napa myself and they were absolutely settled back then.

AlphaOmega

Here in the UK, a corp's accounts are made public after they file them.

www.companies-house.gov.uk

This still holds true for the Watchtower (listed as Internation Bible Students Association) even though they have charitable status. Expenses and income will be listed as will their assets. I assume that there will be a separate section for losses due to settlements such as these.

Is it the same in the US ? If so, it may be worth keeping an eye on wherever the accounts are filed ???

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Can YOU identify this photo (1914 Rapture?)

by AlphaOmega in

i need help identifying the source of this photo, which purports to show the watchtower crowd going up to the top of the mount of olives in 1914 awaiting the rapture.. .

i would like to show this photo to several jws along with the article in the october 8 1968 awake, which says.... true, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world, even announcing a specific date.

some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end.yet nothing happened.

AlphaOmega

*** jv chap. 28 p. 632 Testing and SiftingFrom Within ***
When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus’ anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then. It was also reasoned that the end of God’s special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.

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Can YOU identify this photo (1914 Rapture?)

by AlphaOmega in

i need help identifying the source of this photo, which purports to show the watchtower crowd going up to the top of the mount of olives in 1914 awaiting the rapture.. .

i would like to show this photo to several jws along with the article in the october 8 1968 awake, which says.... true, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world, even announcing a specific date.

some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end.yet nothing happened.

AlphaOmega

THANK YOU to you all, the finest Watchtower minds on the internet

Who says that apostates don't verify their material and that the internet is a tool of the devil ???

AO

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Can YOU identify this photo (1914 Rapture?)

by AlphaOmega in

i need help identifying the source of this photo, which purports to show the watchtower crowd going up to the top of the mount of olives in 1914 awaiting the rapture.. .

i would like to show this photo to several jws along with the article in the october 8 1968 awake, which says.... true, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world, even announcing a specific date.

some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end.yet nothing happened.

AlphaOmega

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lbnkgh

This should be a bigger version of the two Rs. TinyPic is playing me up at the moment !

Compare with this one...

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4ibm4gk

Great deductions about the travelling party !

Why would someone go to the trouble of faking a photo like this only to put a bald Rutherford in?

Zico, are we going to get a new thread about your talk ?

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Can YOU identify this photo (1914 Rapture?)

by AlphaOmega in

i need help identifying the source of this photo, which purports to show the watchtower crowd going up to the top of the mount of olives in 1914 awaiting the rapture.. .

i would like to show this photo to several jws along with the article in the october 8 1968 awake, which says.... true, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world, even announcing a specific date.

some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end.yet nothing happened.

AlphaOmega

I think instead there is an anecdote from one of the Bethel longtimers on his attitude on the day in which he thought the Gentile Times would end, and the story puts him at Bethel.

*** yb75 p. 73 Part 1—United States of America ***
Quite a few delegates stayed at Bethel, and, of course, members of the headquarters staff were present at the breakfast table on Friday morning, October 2. Everyone was seated when Brother Russell entered. As usual, he said cheerily, "Good morning, all." But this particular morning was different. Instead of proceeding promptly to his seat, he clapped his hands and joyfully announced: "The Gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day." "How we clapped our hands!" exclaims Cora Merrill. Brother Macmillan admitted: "We were highly excited and I would not have been surprised if at that moment we had just started up, that becoming the signal to begin ascending heavenward—but of course there was nothing like that, really." Sister Merrill adds: "After a brief pause he [Russell] said: ‘Anyone disappointed? I’m not. Everything is moving right on schedule!’ Again we clapped our hands."
C. T. Russell made some remarks, but it was not long before A. H. Macmillan became the object of attention. Good-naturedly, Russell said: "We are going to make some changes in the program for Sunday. At 10:30 Sunday morning Brother Macmillan will give us an address." That brought hearty laughter from everyone. After all, just that past Wednesday Brother Macmillan had given what he thought would probably be his "last public address."

I find it hard to believe that they managed to get from amountain top in Jerusalem, back to Brooklyn in time for breakfast, but the photo looks fairly convincing when you play around with the histogram in Photoshop - I'd just like to know what it really was and where it came from.

I got it from here : http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/1914_rapture.html

But, as I said, the webmaster hasn't replied to by e-mail.

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Can YOU identify this photo (1914 Rapture?)

by AlphaOmega in

i need help identifying the source of this photo, which purports to show the watchtower crowd going up to the top of the mount of olives in 1914 awaiting the rapture.. .

i would like to show this photo to several jws along with the article in the october 8 1968 awake, which says.... true, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world, even announcing a specific date.

some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end.yet nothing happened.

AlphaOmega

They sure look like the "happiest people in the world."

That might have something to do with the fact that in 1914 people had to stay still for 9 hours in order to get a photo that was in focus.

("slight" exageration)