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  omg!!! DOG collars and the clergy - shock.

  by hamsterbait in

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  am i right in thinking that calling a clergyman's shirt a "dog collar" is not the accepted terminology?.

  maybe this is why non-jw in the past always looked at me funny when i said this.

  i thought it was because they were worldlings and prejudiced against me.. was i just using one of the millerite epithets via freddie, and being downright insulting?.

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  AlphaOmega

  Some clergy that I know, DO call them "dog collars", but the accepted term is "Clerical Collar".

  I think that the term "dog collar" has been so overused by people that no offence is taken.
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

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  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  Yeah, they were commanded to gather the lost sheep of Israel, but the entire nation rejected Jesus as the messiah. Remember when Jesus spoke to the samaritan woman and explained to her that Jehovah is looking for those who will worship him with spirit and truth. He stated that neither in Jerusalem nor on that mountain will true followers practice true worship. So Jehovah is looking for spiritual Jews to offer sacrifices of praise, not just physical Jews. They all have to conform to the christian way of life. Also those of the anointed fold are virgin's, not literal virgin's, but spiritual virgin's. The anointed is comprised of men and woman. It does not matter what they are now because when they are transformed into their new spirit bodies their will be no such thing as male and female. They will all be spirit beings just like their a master Jesus Christ.

  Surely the entire nation DIDN'T reject Jesus - The disciples didn't reject him, sure, they wobbled at his crucifixion, but that was sorted after the resurection.

  If they are "Spiritual Jews", then surely the number must also not be literal. It is illogical to keep the number but spiritualise those contained within it. If they are "Spiritual Jews", why are they called from the 12 tribes as quoted in my post above? What would be the point of itemising all the tribes? "Spiritual virgins" - what does that mean? Never been in contact with the spirit ? Never lied (as would be implied by no guile in the mouths). If that was true and the 144,000 were never supposed to have uttered an untruth, then how can they be JWs who have uttered many things that weren't true, or "didn't come to pass" ? AO
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  Brighton Convention 2007?

  by Mariusuk. in

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  anyone know the dates for the dc in brighton (uk) this year, i want to go for an experience, i did it last year and it really made me feel smugly happy (what??

  i am allowed to be smug, i'm not one of the idiots who believes this rubbish hehe).

  cheers.

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  AlphaOmega

  from here :

  http://i12.tinypic.com/4qz061k.jpg

  Credit to "V" who posted this in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/136566/1.ashx
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  Brighton Convention 2007?

  by Mariusuk. in

  1. jw
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  anyone know the dates for the dc in brighton (uk) this year, i want to go for an experience, i did it last year and it really made me feel smugly happy (what??

  i am allowed to be smug, i'm not one of the idiots who believes this rubbish hehe).

  cheers.

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  AlphaOmega

  JULY 20-22

  BRIGHTON, The Brighton Centre, Kings Road

  NORWICH, Norwich City Football Club, Carrow Road

  
  

  Will you be taking your own "apostate" convention badge - or will you be going undercover ?
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: Stay away from the Gentiles and don't go to any Samaritan town. Go only to the people of Israel, because they are like a flock of lost sheep.

  [Matthew 10:5-6 CEV]

  The idea being that they were to gather the lost sheep of Israel.

  Later they were commanded to go the the people of all nations.
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

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  2. beliefs

  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  AlphaOmega

  By who's conclusion? We know it can't be the literal Israelite Nation because they rejected Jesus and killed him. A lot of the Jews became christians and followed Jesus and his Apostles. But the Nation as a whole rejected him. Jesus basically sumed it up in regards to who are these chosen ones when he told the story in Mathew 22:1-14. That story clears up everything.

  Really ???

  144,000 come FROM the tribes of Israel hence they are not the totality of Israel.

  Who is to say that they are not 144000 Jews who find Christ IN THE FUTURE ?
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  AlphaOmega

  144,000...

  Revelation 7:4-8 MKJV

  [4]

  And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.

  [5]

  Out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand had been sealed.

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  Out of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand had been sealed.

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  Out of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand had been sealed.

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  Out of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand had been sealed. Out of the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand had been sealed.

  Revelation 14:3-5 MKJV

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  And they sang as it were a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousands who were redeemed from the earth.

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  These are those who were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, as a firstfruit to God and to the Lamb.

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  And in their mouth was found no guile, for they were without blemish before the throne of God.

  If the passage is LITERAL then the 144,000 are :

  • Male
  • Jewish
  • Virgins

  If it is not literal, then the chosen ones can be whomever you choose (depending on how you spititualise the passage). The one thing that is certain is that if you DO spiritualise the passage, 144,000 cannot also be taken literally and therefore must be symbolic.
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  AlphaOmega

  Guest With Questions...

  I undertstand that. It is something of a dilema. Something happened at his Baptism.

  Maybe the Spirit decending on him was just visual confirmation for the crowd. Maybe they needed to see it to believe it.

  He was indeed the Christ / Anointed One from birth. That is why I said the two shouldn't be compared. I didn't want to confuse the issue.

  I sometimes find it hard to work out who to address my posts to. If I am addressing a JW (knowingly) then I will focus on some points and not on others - as it is easy to get hung up on a sidetrack.

  AO
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  Ok - I won't hide from a coward anymore.......

  by AK - Jeff in

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  ok, ok, you told me so.

  if there is a 'stalker' watching - then here is what i say to you....... you are an absolute coward, afraid to face me!

  oh, and one other thing........... .

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  AlphaOmega

  Good Man !

  Strange but I have become quite attached to JWD and its posters. Your situation played on my mind "offline".

  Welcome back.

  AO
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  AlphaOmega

  Golf said...

  AO, question, when did Jesus become anointed, before his submersion or after coming out of the water? Apparently some 'act' had to be performed before being anointed, right or wrong? What act did the apostles have to do to be anointed?
  
  Golf

  Good question !

  I think that it is wrong to compare Jesus' Baptism and subsequent anointing with the anointing of his Disciples because Jesus is in a class of his own. He was born sin free and sent by God. Who else can claim that ?

  As for the anointing of the Disciples...

  The Holy Spirit comes through faith in Jesus (Galatians 3:14)

  The only "act" that I can see was "doing as Jesus had commanded" :

  Act 1:4-5 CEV

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  While he was still with them, he said: Don't leave Jerusalem yet. Wait here for the Father to give you the Holy Spirit, just as I told you he has promised to do.

  (5)

  John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

  So that must also apply to us as his modern disciples. The other thing that pops into my head is Ask and you shall receive, knock and the door shall be opened...

  Luk 11:9-10 CEV

  (9)

  So I tell you to ask and you will receive, search and you will find, knock and the door will be opened for you.

  (10)

  Everyone who asks will receive, everyone who searches will find, and the door will be opened for everyone who knocks.