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  Misquotes from the "Reasoning Book" re: Cross (scans included)

  by AlphaOmega in

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  the "reasoning book" claims that the 1874 edition of the imperial bible dictionary verifies the idea that jesus was crucified on a stake.

  however, when you check the reference with the imperial bible dictionary, you see that it acutally is not as clear cut as that.. as usual, the infamous "..." of the watchtower has been used to edit out any opposing ideas in the source that they cite.. i know that this may have been mentioned before, but the scans of the imperial bible dictionary that are floating around the internet are from later editions, hence the page numbers are not those cited in the reasoning book.. .

  http://i36.tinypic.com/2ilc9cx.jpg.

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  AlphaOmega

  Justitia Themis wrote...
  
  Thank you for your work, and posting the PDF. However, I looked in the Reasoning book, and it appears the WTBTS is using this quote properly. The sentence preceding this quote says, "Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a cross piece." Note: "...having a cross piece." Then, they use this quote.

  In the next paragraph, they start their argument against a cross starting with this sentence,"Was that the case in connection with the execution of God's Son?"

  That is true, as can be seen from the scan of the Reasoning Book, but the spirit of the article in the Reasoning Book is dishonest, for example it doesn't mention the following quote from the Imperial Bible Dictionary which seems to place the crosspiece of the cross at the time of the Gospel age.

  There can be no doubt, however, that the latter sort was the more common, and that about the period of the gospel age crucifixion was usually accomplished by suspending the criminal on a cross piece of wood.
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  August 1980 Kingdom Ministry about Apostasy & Franz resignation

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was sorting some papers tonight and came across a copy of the august 1980 km which announced the "apostasy against the organization" (a letter from the governing body) and has the notification that raymond franz was no longer a member of the governing body and bethel family.

  i remember reading this just as i was making plans to disassociate myself at the same time.

  this copy of the km was in some papers that belonged to my mother-in-law (who passed away several years ago).

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  AlphaOmega

  Excellent - many thanks for this
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  Misquotes from the "Reasoning Book" re: Cross (scans included)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the "reasoning book" claims that the 1874 edition of the imperial bible dictionary verifies the idea that jesus was crucified on a stake.

  however, when you check the reference with the imperial bible dictionary, you see that it acutally is not as clear cut as that.. as usual, the infamous "..." of the watchtower has been used to edit out any opposing ideas in the source that they cite.. i know that this may have been mentioned before, but the scans of the imperial bible dictionary that are floating around the internet are from later editions, hence the page numbers are not those cited in the reasoning book.. .

  http://i36.tinypic.com/2ilc9cx.jpg.

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  AlphaOmega

  The "Reasoning Book" claims that the 1874 edition of The Imperial Bible Dictionary verifies the idea that Jesus was crucified on a stake.
  However, when you check the reference with The Imperial Bible Dictionary, you see that it acutally is not as clear cut as that.

  As usual, the infamous "..." of the Watchtower has been used to edit out any opposing ideas in the source that they cite.

  I know that this may have been mentioned before, but the scans of The Imperial Bible Dictionary that are floating around the internet are from later editions, hence the page numbers are not those cited in the Reasoning Book.

  

  http://i36.tinypic.com/2ilc9cx.jpg

  1st page:

  

  The entire 3 page scan of the Imperial Bible Dictionary's acrticle can be found here as a higher quality PDF without the highlighting shown above:

  http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=0529828d49f3dca5b017ff75c5157f70
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  2008 Keep Yourselves In God's Love--PDF!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2008 keep yourselves in god's love--pdf!

  bookmarked searchable reduced to 2.4-mb from (anonymous-5) please note the "appendix" of this book!

  click the link at the bottom of the next page.

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  AlphaOmega

  Thank you Atlantis
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  For Cultswatter I found the necklace on ebay!!

  by horrible life in

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  2. bible

  for cultswatter.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/144657/1.ashx.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/144876/1.ashx.

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  AlphaOmega

  Excellent!

  We should buy it for him
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  "Special" Talk Outline for this Sunday?

  by Mrs. Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last night hubby told me that his brother (an elder) told him how "provocative" the outline for this sunday's special talk is.

  apparently it's something like "who is qualified to rule mankind" and goes on about how government is not qualified.

  he then asked me if i'd like to attend (ha ha).

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  AlphaOmega

  Here you are...

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/152790/1.ashx
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  Can anyone help me find a "JW Scripture" please ?

  by AlphaOmega in

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  2. bible

  i remember speaking with a jw who read a scripture to me.... it said something like god's people were those who look at the world and wail and mourn or those who look at the world and weep are the ones that are drawn to god.. it was an old testament quote from what i remember.. .

  thank you.

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  AlphaOmega

  Thanks Ninja.

  I owe you a pint of Cider or a bottle of MD 20/20 next week.
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  Can anyone help me find a "JW Scripture" please ?

  by AlphaOmega in

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  2. bible

  i remember speaking with a jw who read a scripture to me.... it said something like god's people were those who look at the world and wail and mourn or those who look at the world and weep are the ones that are drawn to god.. it was an old testament quote from what i remember.. .

  thank you.

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  AlphaOmega

  I remember speaking with a JW who read a scripture to me...

  It said something like God's people were those who look at the world and wail and mourn or those who look at the world and weep are the ones that are drawn to God.

  It was an Old Testament quote from what I remember.

  Thank you
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  De Cruce - Justus Lipsius PDF

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been given some photocopies of this book by another researcher here (many thanks to them).. they look as if they have been taken with an overhead book camera as they have hands and fingers in them.

  i have cropped the pages down and made them into a pdf.. http://www.sendspace.com/file/tn9rz7.

  you will see that the crux simplex illustrated in it is the same illustration as the one that the nwt used in its appendix.. there is another copy of this book in pdf form, but it seems to be a smaller format and the illustrations are slightly different (as you can see below), so i thought this might be handy for people to have in their collections and it seemed appropriate for easter.. .

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  AlphaOmega

  Thanks for that.

  The pictures are good quality - where did you get hold of the source material ?

  Thanks again,
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  URGENT RESPONSE NEEDED

  by shell69 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from my jwd friends.

  i have a situation and need some jw literature quotationes regairding the following issues.

  i disposed of all my dub literature upon my exit, and need help with this;.

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  AlphaOmega

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  g913/22p.19HowCanIHelpMySingleParent?***

  Neither your physical dimensions nor your gender exempts you from Jehovah’s command: "Do not forsake the law of your mother." (Proverbs 6:20) Your mother is authorized by God to make laws, or house rules. You owe her respect and obedience. If you are a male, Mom may affectionately call you the man of the house. But she is head of the house! And by obeying her—not arguing with her every time she asks you to do something—you lighten her load and make for peace in your family.