ok, so if your gripe is with him being held up as a great guy and not particularly with him, then don't drive your knives into his gut but instead criticise those who hold him up as a paragon of virtue wow, paragon of virtue he was not!!! and neither am I - and hillary, I can hardly have come across as pious (or whatever you said) when my whole point was that if you condemn David as you patently were doing, then you condemn me because I'm not much better than him!! In OT times, I would've been stoned for some things I've done. This may not impress some of you but I feel that David is a good example - a good example of someone who was inherently flawed and who made the most astounding errors BUT who God nevertheless loved. To my mind, the point of the example of David is not to show how wonderful he is but to show how great is God's mercy - and very obviously his mercy, as Scripture says, is waaaaaay beyond our understanding. You know, speaking purely personally, I like people who are flawed, who are human, and who don't get all pompous and condemnatory. I'm proud of the friends I've made, although hardly any of them are religious or believers in God, because they're human but darn me, they're loyal and warm friends and entirely loveable for all their mistakes. That's how I think of David as well. I'm also laughing my socks off because for all that y'all don't like him, he's surely been the subject of some hot debate - yay for David! |
alotlikemay
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WHy is King David Always held up as a great guy?
by zack insome of blondie's comments on her wt review makes me post this question.
the wt always holds up david as a great.
they love him.
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alotlikemay
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WHy is King David Always held up as a great guy?
by zack insome of blondie's comments on her wt review makes me post this question.
the wt always holds up david as a great.
they love him.
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alotlikemay
hillary, people use meaningless expressions all the time - sadly I'm too tired and too busy to weigh every single word!
and actually I got sick of having to do so during my years as a Witness, so forgive me if I laughed at the fact that you nitpicked just one of my words! it's rather typical of JW mentality as I remember it !!
yes, that's more-or-less what I meant and it came as a shock - as it does to many people
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Whats the strangest thing you've seen someone get in trouble for?
by LaniB ini remember one windy summer day, after a meeting on sunday morning, i walked out of the hall behind a sister who was part of the church congregation with her two teenage children.
her husband did not attend.
the wind caught her dress unexpectedly and blew it up a'la marilyn monroe and revealed that she was wearing (shock, horror) french knickers...... there were a few murmers behind me which i at the time put down to things like "oh poor girl, so embarrassing".
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alotlikemay
I'm actually laughing out loud at that story OUTLAW - it could only happen in the JW organisation, what a load of fruitloops they are / we were -
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Whats the strangest thing you've seen someone get in trouble for?
by LaniB ini remember one windy summer day, after a meeting on sunday morning, i walked out of the hall behind a sister who was part of the church congregation with her two teenage children.
her husband did not attend.
the wind caught her dress unexpectedly and blew it up a'la marilyn monroe and revealed that she was wearing (shock, horror) french knickers...... there were a few murmers behind me which i at the time put down to things like "oh poor girl, so embarrassing".
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alotlikemay
well that was a crime, OUTLAW, 'cos where the hell was a guy like that going to find someone else to marry him?
I'm such a bitch sometimes
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alotlikemay
ah would that it were possible for any one of us to be non-judgmental lol I'd also like never to get sick or lose my temper...
my belief is that I am in absolutely no position whatsoever to judge anyone - I have been a very very stupid person at times and done some monumentally wrong things (by anyone's standards). Of course I'm also capable of being a hypocrite!
however, yeah, of course we shouldn't go around pigeon-holing people into good and bad, christian and non-christian - there are heaps of grey areas around people's behaviour, beliefs and attitudes and so on
BUT... when an organisation puts itself about, advertising itself by sending its members to people's homes FFS (I mean, how rude and arrogant is that??) ... and makes the most grandiose claims in its own literature about its superiority as a religious group, making out it has a hotline to God so that it knows when God is going to intervene (I have heard more than one circuit or district overseer assert before thousands exactly when the Armageddon is going to be!!!) and saying it has members of God's own heavenly government in its midst.... well, my dear people, then such an organisation can expect to be held reprehensible if it doesn't live up to its claims!
and on this matter, fact is, they claim to follow the Bible - yet they select those parts they want to believe, that support their aims, and conveniently brush certain scriptures under the carpet. Christ is wonderful while they've got him on the earth making pronouncements about generations and such (ooops, haven't they dropped that old generation chestnut now?), and while he's preaching pink-and-fluffy things like love and stuff, but the minute the scripture categorically states Christ is the Judge - the Father has handed all the judging to Christ - and other very forthright texts about the role of Christ - then they can't stand it, they ignore those verses and put it right out of their minds
so, it's not me or anyone else judging them, they do a fine job of making themselves anti-christ all by themselves - I can just sit back and watch how they push the 'truth' further and further away from them
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WHy is King David Always held up as a great guy?
by zack insome of blondie's comments on her wt review makes me post this question.
the wt always holds up david as a great.
they love him.
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alotlikemay
hey guys, glad to meet such perfect people! i really wasn't expecting to meet people so wholly bad or wholly good that they could justifiably point a finger at a mere human being!
i'm afraid in your taking the pee out of David, you also condemn me - and actually I'm a sincere and 'nice' person, just that now and then I act human!
and you know what? I'm proud of it - for so many years as a JW I tried so hard to be perfect and mostly I never put a foot wrong. It's only when I made some absolutely awful awful errors - not at all dissimilar from David ('cept for the foreskin business lol) - that I finally 'got real' about myself
well, I guess you'll DF me in your minds now -or maybe from the forum!! oh dear, and I only just got here! - because I'm so like David.
grow up, you people! yeah, I'm serious! you sound like children
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I'm confused
by nvrgnbk ini'm confused.
why does one return from an apostafest feeling encouraged and happy, maybe even hopeful, but returns from an assembly feeling discouraged and worthless?
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alotlikemay
ok i'm a newb...
apostafest?
dubs?
someone - please explain!!
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Whats the strangest thing you've seen someone get in trouble for?
by LaniB ini remember one windy summer day, after a meeting on sunday morning, i walked out of the hall behind a sister who was part of the church congregation with her two teenage children.
her husband did not attend.
the wind caught her dress unexpectedly and blew it up a'la marilyn monroe and revealed that she was wearing (shock, horror) french knickers...... there were a few murmers behind me which i at the time put down to things like "oh poor girl, so embarrassing".
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alotlikemay
ok, well I was a bit of a hero - aged 15, I got baptised and vacation-pioneered (that's what aux pioneering was called in those days) that year too. I mean, it was amazing because you had to do a lot of hours in those days and I was only 15! well, it was April so we kinda thought the weather was going to be good but no, it snowed and snowed. So, determined to still get my hours in, I went out valiantly in the ministry in all the snow and cold.... but I wore trousers one day and oh, what a fuss!! instead of commending me for my hard work I was taken to one side and counselled...
and my mother was told off once for wearing a red coat. Red coats are evidently a sign of harlotry - did ya know that?
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What's your culinary specialty?
by pmouse inreading hortensia's topic "menu" made my mouth water.
i remember in the 70's (when we used to be able to have lots of jw social get-togethers like picnics and parties) some of the friends would bring pot-luck specialties that were to die for!.
everyone has a dish they consider their "specialty" which gets high praise and generally requests for the recipe.
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alotlikemay
oh man, these posts have got me hungry!
I'm not a recipe person at all - I create food according to my mood and never measure or weigh ingredients.
love cajun chicken, prawn curry (curry is such a Brit dish these days!) and massive caesar salads
i'm looking for a good thai dish that's do-able at home, if anyone can give me any ideas - love thai food
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Did you stop singing the songs BEFORE you stopped going to meetings?
by zack inafter i found out the truth abouth the troof, i could not--- i mean physically could not---- sing a note of a jw song at a meeting.. this was way before i decided to make a plan and a final break.
this happen to anyone?.
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alotlikemay
I found anything uniquely associated with Watchtower procedure stuck in my throat
but I used to play in convention orchestras (in the days when there were such things) and I have to say I quite liked some of the songs... some were trash, some were plain schmaltz, but some struck a chord with me (I didn't intend that pun) either because of the words or the one or two that were patently derivative, recognisable from classical pieces. But it's been 16 years since I heard that stuff, maybe this is a little nostalgia speaking here.