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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

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  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Yadirf:

  You asked: Why, may I ask, are you inclined towards thinking that there must be "continuity" in order for the person who is restored to life to be the "same" person who died.

  Because without some continuity nothing is "the same." If you completely incinerate a piece of glazed clay pottery to the point that absolutely not one particle of it remains, and then create with all new clay and glazing a new piece of glazed clay pottery exactly like the old object that no longer existed, is that new piece of pottery the "same" piece of pottery that was completely incinerated? No, it is not. It is just a copy of that piece of pottery. On the other hand, if only a small part of that piece of glazed clay pottery, say for instance its glazing, is lost due to wear but is later restored, then it can truthfully be said that the reglazed piece of pottery is "the same" piece of pottery as the old piece of pottery. Why? Because the most important part of the piece of pottery never ceased to exist and remains under its new glazing.

  It is theoretically possible for DNA from a dead person to be used to create a living clone of that dead person. The clone will then be a perfect replica of the dead person. But it will not be the dead person. It will only be a clone, a copy. Why will it not be the dead person? Because no continuity exists between the dead person and the clone.
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  The Trinity: to believe or not to believe?

  by speechless in

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  this question applies to those exjws who are at peace with god:.

  do you now believe in the trinity?.

  for myself, it took awhile for me to accept the trinity doctrine, but i finally came to believe!.

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  Faithful2Jah

  Ros, I am not trying to debate this topic because I have not reached a conclusion on it myself. But I would like to know how a Christian can say that Jesus was deified. If we do not accept the trinity and we say Jesus is a god but a different god than his father, doesn't that mean you worship two gods? Aren't there scriptures which say there is only one true god? Aren't there scriptures which say that we are to worship God alone and that he will not share his glory with another. It just seems that we have to say it is wrong to worship Christ, as JWs say, or say that Jesus is, somehow in some way that we can't quite comprehend, the same God as his father. How do you answer such questions? Again, I'm not debating. The fact is I would like to be able to take a middle road myself but can't find one.
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  Today we see who takes the mark of the beast

  by MikeNightHaShev in

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  well it's ash wed people, has anyone today received "the mark of the beast"?.

  it's time to get the mark of the beast, on your forehead and on your.

  hand.

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  Faithful2Jah

  Mike, I'm not around here much. So I may be mistaken. But are you one of this boards three or four resident nutcases who claims to be Jesus Christ?
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Yadirf:

  I understand you, I think. So, Michael never ceased existing. He simply had his existence transferred into the preborn Jesus, at the moment of conception, I presume. But please tell me, when Jesus died was Michael/Jesus totally nonexistent for three days? If so, when he was resurrected was his resurrection then actually a total recreation? If so, how can it be said that the recreated Michael/Jesus was the same Michael/Jesus that had died and not just a copy of the old Michael/Jesus?

  In other words, if Michael/Jesus totally ceased to exist at the time of his death, and there was no continuity of existence between the old Michael/Jesus and the newly recreated Michael/Jesus, how can you say that the newly recreated Michael/Jesus was the same Michael/Jesus as the Michael/Jesus whose existence completely ended at the time of his death?
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  King of North-Muslims

  by Dogpatch in

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  just in case you passed it by, ciro aulicino from bethel speaks out on armageddon, muslims and the king of the north, reading apostate literature, and what the watchtower did after sept. 11th to help.

  a must listen!.

  http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm

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  Faithful2Jah

  Fred,

  I take it that is your impersonation of the Watchtower Society's Governing Body.
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  King of North-Muslims

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just in case you passed it by, ciro aulicino from bethel speaks out on armageddon, muslims and the king of the north, reading apostate literature, and what the watchtower did after sept. 11th to help.

  a must listen!.

  http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm

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  Faithful2Jah

  How can the JWs switch their interpretation of "the King of the North" to now be Muslims, without admitting that their previous interpretation of prophecy was wrong? And if it was wrong, how do they maintain credibility when it comes to all their other prophetic interpretations? I know, I know. The average rank and file JW will welcome such "new light" with great excitement, and see it as strong evidence that we are now closer to the end than ever before, and offer it to others as proof that the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" is humble enough to admit its past mistakes. "Unlike the clergy of Christendom."
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  KM article "How Will They Hear?"

  by DB in

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  perhaps this topic has already been addressed, but at last night's service meeting we discussed an article in the kingdom ministry (jan 2001) called "how will they hear?".

  it dealt with the fact that there are perhaps billions worlwide who have not yet been witnessed to.

  the articel mentioned that the jws "trust in jehovah" (i guess its always the case when they have no answers) that those people, mostly concentrated in asia (especially china and the sub-continent) will have their hearts read by god and that he will know who are righteous and who are not.

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  >>>>>God could read their hearts too ... but no, he makes Noah build a great big Boat ... piss poor engineering design ... Oh man ... the more I look at this stuff, the more it sounds like we were hoodwinked by lunatics.

  Amazing: You are turning into a very sorry sight. You go from a man who was supposedly an anointed Christian to a man who now not only questions the existence of God but ridicules the words of scripture. I wonder what your Christian children would think of you.
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  Piety????

  by wonderwoman77 in

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  i am reading a book called "the blessings of imperfection: reflection on the mystery of everyday life" by peter fleck and he makes some remarkable statements about piety and believing there is only one answer to spiritual and religious beliefs.

  he says "pietism can also be expressed in the relationship between the individual and other individuals, that is as adams puts it with the other saints, with the chosen few, chosen by me, those who think as i do, live as i do, who are well clad and fed as i am, who do not disturb my inner harmony with questions of justice, equality, and freedom.

  theirs is a relationship of partiality against with james warns 'if you show partiality, you commit sin.

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  Faithful2Jah

  Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

  So, WW, if you are right about there being different paths to God, then Jesus was wrong. If, on the other hand, Jesus was right and you are wrong, you can share passages of your book with Him on Judgment Day. For your sake, I hope He will be impressed.
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  Putin-powerful, but not his own power

  by proplog2 in

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  the points keep lining up.

  daniel 8:23 identifies three.

  characteristics of the "king" that will stand against the prince of.

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  Faithful2Jah

  The Bible tells us that being able to properly interpret prophecy is a gift from God. With the attitude you just expressed I highly doubt He has given you that gift. That makes all of your interpretations highly suspect.
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  For Solo Adams, concerning Paul and Women

  by aChristian in

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  with this in mind, paul's words in 1 tim.

  because it is obvious from their context that paul's words in 1 tim.

  " however, as i have here shown, paul's words in 1 tim.

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  Faithful2Jah

  I wonder how the Watchtower Society would respond to this.