i don't believe there is a heaven that so many religions teach, do you?
it all sounds like a fairy tale made up to make dying easier or as a threat to make someone have a conscience... i got into a discussion about it with my jw converted to catholic daughter and she just couldn't believe anyone could feel like i do.
i am glad she threw away the jw teachings and glad she believes in something so wonderful but i for one just can't.
Doesn`t basic astronomy debunk the heavenly myth ? Outside of the earths atmosphere , space, their is no up or down,only over their.
Up and down only exists in a relative sense to our plane on earth , so heaven is not up their.
Thats just my 2cents worth
smiddy
attention !
i just talked to our dear tal, she is a sick puppy.
so, she's really disappointed as she's been dealing with this problem for quite a while now.
Take care Tal
I hope everything goes well
smiddy
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/current/126351/2/awake-urges-questions-on-united-nations.
lits's recent thread on not bothering the branch with requests to have our relatives called on reminded me of this old thread.
in awake!
CoCo
Well !! You learn something everyday on this site. Reading this thread has only now enlightend me to the change/flip-flop regarding the UN as the "disgusting thing standing in a holy place"
Thats another bit of ammo I can use if ever they doorknock me again
smiddy
i saw an article on the bbc sayng that zambia has one of the fastest growing populations of any country on earth.. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15433140.
i thought that was interesting because zambia also has an unusually high proportion of jws.
if zambia's population ever does reach 100 million on current trends that could include something like 2 million practising jws and 7 million at the memorial.
My 1st reply to this post didn`t seem to register so try again
Is it possible that Zambians have dual religous affilliations
smiddy
sacramento vicinity (loomis, rocklin, sunset congregations): court documents were just issued charging derek packowski and the watchtower society corporations.
the papers were filed by the legal firm of nolen saul brelsford of sacramento, california.
the child molestor and said corporations headed by the governing body over jehovah?s witnesses, were charged with not reporting to law enforcement and systematically conspiring and suppressing information about sexual molestation committed by packowski when he was in a congregation in des plaines, illinois, also after about 1984 and later in california at the loomis congregation from which formed the rocklin and sunset congregations.
The fact that the WTB&TS settles out of court with a gag stipulation says it all for me
They are as guilty as sin, Bastards one and all
smiddy
id like to introduce my self as im new......a lil nervous but ready to have some conversation that doesnt require me to rely on old men in ny to think for me.
im tired of the puppetteering, the sly green handshakes to move up, the lies turned into new light- "what happened to yes means yes?
", just has the makings of a bad ponzi scheme in my opinion...i officially begun my fade this year.....and im enjoying it.
Welcome to the board,you obviously have a brain and are using it
smiddy
had an interesting chat with my ex re the current debate over working with children checks - of which she has one due to her volunteering at our childrens primary school.
i remember when she had to apply that i made the comment elders & mss should be having background checks due to the history of abuse in the borg and covering up (these discussions normally dont go down well as she is well and truly blinded, well meaning, but blinded).. anywho, she told me about the recent letter that was read to all the victorian congregations, she couldnt tell me verbatim what it said, though the gist was that is no real need for elders to get this check, but rather they are complying with what has been asked legally.. now i dont know if what she said next was based on the letter read or the after discussions at the k/hall, but she made the comment the elders do not need the wcc as they are not strangers, they are our brothers... i tried reasoning that another elder who moves in from interstate is certainly a stranger, until you get to know him on a personal level.
didnt matter how i reasoned or what incidents i bought up, the view amongst her and the other mums that she hangs around in the cong is that the elders getting a wcc check is totally unnecessary and that the jws are being picked on.. next week, i am meeting up with a mate who is an elder here in victoria and trying to step down, so will pick his brains and see if he can get a copy.... .
Spot on jw facts and SV
By far the great majority of offenders are family members or freinds of the family
smiddy
luke 21:8 - who should we really avoid?.
in his sign of the last days, jesus warned his followers: look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.
(luke 21:8) jesus provides clues that help us identify who to avoid.
Excellent points made guys,marked for later
smiddy
i am a registered teacher in western australia and i have a working with children's card, as is mandatory for all who work with children in most australian states, i.e.
victoria, new south wales, queensland, and western australia.. the wwc is more strict than the national criminal history check which many employers in australia now insist on.
the wwc considers not just convictions for child-related crimes, but also allegations, acquittals and spent convictions (where one is found guilty but no penalty is imposed).
So every time they try to keep it inhouse so as not to bring reproach on jehovah`s name they will be breaking the law and can be charged with a criminal offence
That is truly" Good News"
smiddy
estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
Where was GOD when the earthquakes killed thousands these past centuries
Where was GOD when tsunamis hit and killed thousands
Where was GOD when mudslides caused by downpours wipes out countless villages killing thousands of people
None of these events are caused by mankind
smiddy
