Posts by smiddy

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Indoctrination or insistence on being right?

by OutsiderLookingIn in

nobody likes to be wrong.

so after being taught that they have "the truth" for so long, is it that jws just don't want to admit that they are wrong so they'll keep going in the same direction rather than reversing course?

this is different from indoctrination when you truly believe what you're saying.

smiddy

I think its a combination of both .

Older people who have been in it for many years have invested so much time and effort in it find it very hard to admit they have been wrong all those years.

In this case it is the investment of time and energy ,monetary value they have put in all those years that they cant back down and admit even to themselves that it is not the truth. So they keep deluding themselves.

And they keep defending it.

The other case I think is a different kettle of fish ,these people have gone out of their way to promote JW`s to all and sundry that Jehovahs Witnesses are the only true religion on the planet .

So their ego now gets in the way they have been so vocal promoting the JW religion and now they cannot go against what they have been so vocal for it would be humilliating for them to admit they have been so wrong..

So they keep deluding themselves.

And they keep on defending it

And as I said I believe it is a combination of the two indoctrination and insistence on being right that both parties can have a mixture of the two .

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Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live

by Simon in

how many times did you hear that gem?

it often went along with "the truth is a protection" which is their way of saying "living a moral life is good for you ... and you can't do that without us".. but think about what people are really saying.

i think the real message is "i know it's not the truth, but i chose to follow it anyway".. it seems like a pre-emptive argument because they know they can't defend it as "the truth" so instead they switch to defending it as a lifestyle.. of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.. so just remember, next time you hear someone saying "even if it's not the truth" what they are really admitting is that they already know it isn't..

smiddy

Good post Simon, so by their reasoning a catholic who is a conscientious objector would fit their criterior as would an Adventist who wont take up arms against another human being in war or a member of the Salvation army who wont participate in warfare.

And I am sure their are other religions who would fit that criterior.

However all of the above do engage in humanitarian/ practical works that benefit mankind and not just give lip service and an excuse for a magazine as Jehovahs Witnesses do .

So Jehovahs Witnesses have nothing to crow about.

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"Has the Large Hadron Collider Disproved the Existence of Ghosts?"

by unsure in

"if i understand what you just declared, you just asserted that cern, the european center for nuclear research, disproved the existence of ghosts.".

"yes," cox replied.. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2017/02/16/has_the_large_hadron_collider_disproved_the_existence_of_ghosts.html.

what do you think about this relating to.

smiddy

I`m inclined to agree with Boss Vegas comments ,but then what do I know about such things.

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Church gets own police force - are the Dubs next?

by SadElder in

just read this article in the washington times.

other sites have similar stories.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/briarwood-presbyterian-alabama-megachurch-gets-sta/.

can you imagine the dubs with a sworn police force with arrest powers?.

smiddy

OrphanCrow---Defense-----Isnt that exactly the reason a nation goes to war to protect itself from an invader ?

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Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

smiddy

tor1500

In the religious world Jehovahs Witnesses are nothing but a small sect that are nothing more than a curiosity with weired beliefs .

They are not newsworthy to the general public just a nuisance that knocks on your door at the most inopportune times trying to sell their religion.

Nobody cares about them. 8 million worldwide ? chickenfeed .And only been around for about 100 years .

The Catholic Church ?been around for 2 centuries with well over 1 billion believers worldwide ,thats newsworthy.

The media of today are not so much interested in news as they are in entertainment / ratings ,what is going to capture the most viewers /readers.and generate more profits to their organisation satisfying their shareholders.

No one is protecting the organisation

No Jehovah

No individuals

Its because jehovahs Witnesses are just another small religious sect of American origin started about 100 years ago that nobody cares about and they are not newsworthy.

Think about all the other sects that sprang up in America and elsewhere in the past 200 years how newsworthy are they ?

think about it.

Assemblys Of God,The Church Of Jesus Christ Of The Latter Day Saints ,(Mormons ) Christian Scientists ,The Seventh day Adventists ,The Christadelphians ,The Exclusive Bretheren ,Scientology ,etc,etc.

And their are heaps more those are just a smidgeon of the better known ones.

In the main the general public do not care about them they are not newsworthy and neither are JW`s

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If There is no God is Murder Wrong? - Michael Shermer

by cofty in

a very useful 8 minute talk on a topic that is raised frequently by believers in this forum.. ....

smiddy

If God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son John 3:16 ,I presume he meant the whole world so why did he for at least four centuries favour the Israelites over all other nations ?that then existed ?

And himself being responsible for the death of millions of people who were not his chosen people ?

Wasnt/isnt God supposed to be impartial ?

According to the bible he he was responsible for creating seperate nations when he confused the languages at Babel

He certainly had no love or sympathy for any nation other than the Israelites for the first four centuries.

Jehovah God murdered millions of people before the birth of Jesus Christ.

Millions of people who dont believe in any God accept that murder is wrong

Thanks for posting cofty an interesting video

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Watchtower Corporation Days Are So Numbered, Thank You Information Age!

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think if we could have a graph of how the change rate of technology has sky rocketed during the last century or perhaps the last three centuries, the point would be clearly made.. say we had a huge graph of technological progress of man since his ability to make fire, about 600,000 years ago, we'd see that a new techno advancement in the species happened every 50,000 years or so, then doubling every so often till we reached the say 14th century then the doubling must have got into high gear, till now in the information age where light speed sets the limits.

now we have information at our finger tips and no need for making a laborious trips to library.

case in point type in jehovah's witnesses in any search engine.. ignorance is in a down turn no matter how hard the governing body demonize higher education, the internet, and whatever.. as this younger generation with information at your finger tips becomes of age no matter how young you get them committed by being baptized, it spells doom for these clowns running this corporation.

smiddy

They are no "Going out with a bang but a whimper" as the older generation die off and the younger generation fade away finding religion irrelevant .

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"Abuse of free will" - an Oxymoron?

by doubtfull1799 in

the society loves to talk about how adam and eve abused their gift of free will.

doesn't free will mean the freedom to choose?

how can exercising that freedom to choose then be classed as abusing the gift?

smiddy

Adam and Eve exercising their "free will" became like the Gods Knowing good and bad Gen.3:22 according to Gods word the Bible.

So the Gods didnt really want Adam and Eve to have free will , they were upset that they execised that right that was given to them.

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A baffling physics question

by FatFreek 2005 in

for several weeks i've been treating myself to a hot chocolate milk (well, soymilk) before bedtime.

some 16 oz soymilk which i heat on high in our microwave oven.

this is just enough time where the liquid begins to bubble along the top edge.. i then take it out of the microwave and place it on my kitchen gram scale, stir it good enough to redistribute the heat, then reset the scale to zero grams.. next, i squeeze in the hershey's sytup, "special dark mildly sweet chocolate" (fat free) into the warmed soymilk till the scale reads some 30 grams.

smiddy

Their is also the plus -minus error % to be considered with each recording.,are they outside these limits or within these limits.?

Their is always a margin of error to be taken in consideration with any experiment either with the same person doing the experiment and a different margin with someone else doing the same experiment..

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Janet Jackson before and after pics

by moomanchu in

jw
friends

guess she is a muslim now, golly.. http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/janet-jackson-spotted-first-time-9106989.

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smiddy

Is she going to stay a muslim ? or renounce it .

Is cat Stevens still a Muslim ? or has he renounced his faith or just gone back to calling himself CS.?