Veryyyyyyyyyy interesting
smiddy
today as i was researching past and present members of the governoring body of j.w.
's something stood out to me that seemed out of proportion towards other name origins.. the vast majority appeared to be from the germanic peoples.
either they were originally from germany themself or their parents immigrated from germany.. here are some of the ones i researched and you should be able to spot just from their names a hint of their origins:.
Veryyyyyyyyyy interesting
smiddy
millions of children have grown up as jehovahs witnesses.
lets start from the very beginning.. i owe my life to jehovahs witnesses.
more important than what he was saying was who he was.
Welcome to the forum
in reference to the comments that it should not just be the elders getting the working with children check in victoria, i just caught up with my mate who is still an elder and his 2 buddies (who were also elders), one who turned out to be the p/o (sorry, still stuck with the old lingo).
3 elders and a so called apostate, and yes we were all drinking beers, ok, i wasnt, that nz sav blnc was too good to pass up.... the direction from bethel is that all elders/ m/s's and pioneers in victoria have to get the wwc, so its not just for elders.. the deadline for all elders, ms's and pioneers to get this check passed a few weeks ago.
in my mates congo, there was still a few m/'s and pioneers who had not yet submitted their application yet as well as 1 elder.
Mattieu
Thanks for that info at least it`s a step in the right direction,I guess the cost for getting a wwc check rests with the individuals concerned ?
smiddy
since they no longer charge for mags at the doors do the publishers carry this cost ?i used to be a literature servant and you never gave away mags unless they were old and out of date to be left at doctors waiting rooms etc.
not at peoples homes ,otherwise householders would expect to get them for free.
in other words do the publishers pay for the mags and give them away for free?
Since they no longer charge for mags at the doors do the publishers carry this cost ?I used to be a literature servant and you never gave away mags unless they were old and out of date to be left at doctors waiting rooms etc. not at peoples homes ,otherwise householders would expect to get them for free. In other words do the publishers pay for the mags and give them away for free? I`ve been out since 1993 and just curious
smiddy
http://www.clevelandbanner.com/view/full_story/16655276/article-tim-bailey-a-well-traveled-%e2%80%98country-boy%e2%80%99?instance=home_features.
bailey, who had been transferred to bricklayers local no.
9 in pittsburgh, retired in 2008. having remained a union member through the years, he receives a pension as a benefit.. .
Their was nothing wrong as far as I know with being a union member and Jw.I was both in my 33 yrs as a witness
smiddy
court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.
steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.
the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .
Thanks for that link jwfacts
I have just sent a letter via the website,I have also sent a letter to the editor of the AGE & Herald Sun newspapers regarding Steven Unthanks case.
The more public exposure the better I feel.
smiddy
court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.
steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.
the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .
jwfacts
I dont know if this is such a good result......,this case was first started in april ? and Steven is still the one who is prosecuting this case ?
Doesn`t the legislation say that any who violate this law are liable for prosecution ?
Why hasn`t the office of prosecutions taken over this case from the outset ?
Why is it left to a private individual to bear this responsibility ?
Is this legislation regarding working with children checks just a paper tiger ? with no teeth?
Shouldn`t every other group who complied with the wwcc feel cheated that they complied while the WTB&TS gets off scot free ? (so far at least )
Are they just hoping that if they string it along long enough people will just get tired of it then they can dismiss it and no one will care.?
I hope that doesn`t eventuate
It`s up to us to see that it doesnt
smiddy
court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.
steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.
the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .
It`s not just the children of jehovah`s witnesses who need to be protected here ,it`s the children of every home where a jehovah`s witness knocks on the door.
smiddy
court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.
steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.
the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .
I think this perception that only elders in a congregation need to have working with children checks,needs to be addressed.
Every adult jehovah`s witness who engages in the door to door ministry should be required to have a working with children check.
Why ?
Often times jw`s go from house to house unacompanied by another" witness" who happens to call on a household while both parents are out for one reason or another ,leaving the child unprotected with a stranger on their doorstep.
In a talkback radio programe ABC/gippsland victoria with Celine Foenander about working with children checks and the problems people were having concerning these checks, a caller rang in to say they had a carpet cleaning business and they were required to get a wwcc simply because they could be doing their job when a child was home alone.
So surely every jehovah`s witness who goes door to door needs to have these checks and not just elders in a congregation
smiddy
please call richard rawe's "dialogue" program (a special conference call program), monday, december 5th at 8 p.m. est in the us, or 7 p.m. cst, etc.. the phone number is 712-432-8710, pin #9925. .
richard told me that if steven unthank is no longer prosecutor, being that the "crown" took over the filed criminal cases against five watch tower entities, he, steven, might be on the phone discussing the latest hearing and the indictments.
if steven does not call in, someone else will report on what took place in court which in australia will be on tuesday, dec. 6th.. hopefully, this special conference program will take place without any snafu.. barbara.
I`m with ABible Student on this ,I too would like to see Steven retained as he is very familiar with the doublespeak the WT employs to confuse the issue with unsuspecting ones,justifying their deception with the ploy of" theocratic warfare"
I would hate for this case to be dismissed simply because the WTB&TS has now complied in a limited sense,I say"limited sese" because in my veiw every adult witness should have to get wwcc and not just a few" token" elders in a congregation ,because they could call on peoples homes in their door to door ministry while both parents could be out and the children are home alone.
smiddy