It sounds to me like one of your relatives is trying to satisfy his/her self that you should get back in the" truth" or have you cut off from the" truth" once and for all.
After all they are a wierd mob..
hey everyone.
so a few weeks back i getva knock at the door, i could tell they were jw immediately, its always obvious.
i think its just a regular door knock but at 5.30pm i did think it weird.
It sounds to me like one of your relatives is trying to satisfy his/her self that you should get back in the" truth" or have you cut off from the" truth" once and for all.
After all they are a wierd mob..
my sister got baptized at 17 or 18 years old in 1983. she was ripe for the jw picking as she was shy, quiet, naive and with low self-esteem even though she was tall and beautiful and she attended one of the best high schools in philadelphia.. she wasn't outgoing and she only went out on a couple of dates prior to her baptism.
she worked at a day care center.
she loved children and animals.
Of course their is no problem getting into bed with the enemy Christendom or Satans system of things when the G.B. / Elders sell their Kingdom Halls that were dedicated to Jehovah to them for profit is their.
The hypocricy of the religion knows no bounds.
when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.
psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.
although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.
Life is how you deal with the cards you have been dealt. Or sometimes it can mean you having to put up with what life deals out to you having no say in it,
Its going to mean different things to different people ,depending on where you are born in this world......Chance ? Why were you born where you were,Is that anything to do with a God ? I dont think so .
That opens up another kettle of worms not to be addressed here.
In the western world sure you have oppourtunities to make something out of yourself and be successful in whatever venture you want ,but is that the case with someone born into a third world country ?
Life is an accident of where we happened to be born in this world.
Had i been born in Saudi Arabia to an average family would I be living here in Australia owning my own home ?
What if I had been born in Iran , North Korea ,India ,Amozans ,etc,
So what is life ? It`s a product of chance ,and time and unforseen occurences. happening ,with no divine intervention taking place.
from their history, it is evident that jehovah's witnesses are just another doomsday cult.. cults are run by autocrats.
on purpose they are ideologically fixated and they demand that their devotees hold the same absolute certainty of belief without regard for evidence.
the suspension of critical thought is encouraged and by focussing on the objectives of the cult belief in a like minded community, it gives both a sense of direction within a sort of ‘family’ and a hope of paradise perfection.. the leaders have everything to gain by controlling their followers; all the income goes in their direction.. democracy has strictly no part in a running cult.
Disband ? No
Have more enforceable laws that address freedom of expression without being penalised by the religion for breaking their rules.
Penalise members of the GB or Elders who fail to notify the appropiate authoritys of child sexual abuse regardless of whether it is mandatory or not in a particular state or territory .
Ban everybody not a relative from a hospital room where a JW might need a blood transfusion to save their life to minimise undue pressure put upon the patient to conform to JW doctrine of no blood.
The Blood liasion Committee in Hospitals is no more than an intimitating force to make sure that a JW conforms to the watchtower`s policy of not taking blood .Regardless of the outcome to the patient.
They are not blood related and should be expelled from the patients room .
The emotional blackmail that is practiced in the JW religion maybe a lot harder to police or enforce however I hope someone can com up with a solution .
That is the shunning policy practised by The JW Org, Any baptised member who falls foul of the doctrines /practices of the JW`s can be disfellowshipped and is then cut off from all association with family members and ,friends for a year or two depending on the severity of their sin .
They can only gain a normal relationship with their family and friends if they repent of their wrong doing and gain re-admission into the religion as a JW.
If they dont jump through the hoops to be re-instated they will never have a relationship with their family or friends.
If that is not emotional blackmail then I dont know what is.
These are the fundamental things that need to be changed not an overall ban.
Some of these points could also apply to some other religions that should be looked at also.
't is the season and my oldest is now 5 (and in school), it's also how long i've been 'out'.
i just wanted to share this story about my daughter.
you can find some of my history on these forums as well.. in the mean time, i've started a new family, i have shared custody (half the weekdays and every other weekend) with my oldest and my youngest is 2 and we are celebrating christmas.
Most people in the western world are Christians in name only and if they attend a church service at all it is only for weddings births Easter or someones funeral or their own
The rest that celebrate xmas are people that never attend a church service ever.It has become a secular celebration in so called Christian nations by people that are not religious at all.
Its an excuse for a celebration food drink and partys
I know , me and my extended family are non religious and we enjoy getting together in celebration.
amazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.
you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..
Where the playing of Kingdom songs could have a positive effect.
In a terroist prison playing non stop to obtain a confession from a suspect.Especially a Muslim but not exclusive to them.
Again using these recordings to extricate confessions from murderers & serial killers if there played over and over again.
And if you want to get a divorce from your spouse ,playing Kingdom songs constantly no judge would rule against you.
i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.
i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..
Isnt it true that the Old Testament does not identify" Satan" as any one being ,Angel , God , Spirit being or otherwise ?
The personification of Satan as a fallen Angel is non existent in the Old Testament writings ,it was only introduced in the Christian Era of the New Testament.?
Isnt that correct ?
That the Jews ,Israelites ,Gods chosen people for four thousand years with Jehovah dealing with them with revelations prophets and being under his Theocracy with the Priesthood ,never informed them that Satan was a fallen Angel out to mislead them.
He kept this from them for four thousand years ?
It seems to contradict the Old Testament that a fallen Angel Satan tempted Jesus.
just a simple observation ,the wt used to say that their was an initial fullfilment of bible prophecy and a later fullfilment for our day and that they mirrowed each other.. do they still say much of the same thing ?.
the initial fullfilment of matt.24:34 took place in well under 50 years from when jesus gave this prophecy , a (one ) generation .. no overlapping of a generation occured then ,so none should occur in a later fullfilment of prophecy.. their is no room in scripture , in the first century of an overlapping generation of the initial fullfilment of jesus prophecy.. no such thing occured ..
Just a simple observation ,the WT used to say that their was an initial fullfilment of Bible prophecy and a later fullfilment for our day and that they mirrowed each other.
Do they still say much of the same thing ?
The initial fullfilment of matt.24:34 took place in well under 50 years from when Jesus gave this prophecy , A (one ) generation .
No overlapping of a generation occured then ,so none should occur in a later fullfilment of prophecy.
Their is no room in scripture , in the first Century of an overlapping generation of the initial fullfilment of Jesus prophecy.
No such thing occured .
in his book crisis of conscience, raymond franz likened the governing body to the proverbial 'iron fist in a velvet glove'.
this would seem harsh if it weren't for the fact that there is ample proof that their policies and teachings have caused much pain amongst the friends.
for example, many families have been torn apart through their shunning policy.
As VI said No & Yes , and as tepid ..says how humble is anyone who has never said I`m sorry ( in over 100 years of lording it over their flock ) with wrong prophecys ,wrong Holy Spirit directions ,wrong directions from the enthroned King Christ Jesus since 1914
I hate to think what Paradise is going to be like with an incompetent Jesus Christ as King and the 144000 JW`s as his King priests.
Holly Crap.
i think the decision to move to a more secluded place was probably started taking shape right after silentlambs march at headquarters in clear public view of their neighbors.
i mean how do you respectively live something like this down in front of all those neighbors close by?
that's why i think they are heading for the boonies because deep down they know that their public reputation will only go from bad to worse at this late date of the faithful & discreet slave of god con game.
I think both points of view are valid the bad publicity in NY and also the Dollar $$$$ from there property sales.