Posts by smiddy

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Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal

by OrphanCrow in

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the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.

july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.

it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.

smiddy

JW interpretation of prophecy is that ALL of religion is to be attacked and banned first and the JW`s are to be the last to be persecuted and attacked by the 8th world power .And then the big "A".

At least thats the way I remember it before I left in 1993 .Have they changed that since then ?

Jehovahs Witnesses seem to confuse the different interpretations that are given to scriptures and prophecys they believe over the years and mix them up in their own heads and any and everything that happens is in fullfilment of Bible prophecys

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Warning: A. Vogel (JW-run organization) treatments popping up in the US

by Anony Mous in

i've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking a. vogel homeopathy products.

a. vogel is a company ran primarily by jehovah's witnesses, the "brains" behind the operation, alfred vogel, has since died but he claimed to be one of the anointed.

the bolle family (co-founders of the company) is a well-known, (now very wealthy) family in the netherlands and there have been significant "contributions" in the past from the company to the watchtower organization.. alfred vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied native american herbal healing methods... from a native american tourist photo-op actor.

smiddy

I've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking A. Vogel homeopathy products.

I would suggest any concerns you have about Vogel Homeopathy Products you compose a letter to the head Office of the grocery stores that stock these products.

Just be wary of the wording you use so as not to be liable in any way.

What part of the world are you in Anony Mous ,if I see it in Australia I will be writing to the relevant grocery stores myself.

I have vague memories of him in the distant past.

Thanks for the heads up.

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My non-belief actually make me a more moral person!

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt we have all heard the statement from witnesses and christians in general that those who leave the faith only do so because they want to sin, or they feel guilty or whatever.... the reality is, i reckon we are all more "moral" now that we have left!.

many of us contribute to humanitarian efforts, community groups, welfare groups, etc.. many of us actually do something tangible to assist people.. we don't look with critical eyes on them or their lives.. and most importantly, we do not joyfully await the mass genocide of men, women, children and babies by a petty, jealous, and tyrannical god!.

thoughts?.

smiddy

A Catholic who gives practical help in a church sonsored program looking after victims of family violence ,a christian who is involved in helping aged people via meals on wheels regardless of their beliefs ,the salvation army who help and feed clothe the homeless and give them shelter , are all evidences of a Christian organization giving practical need to people who need it right now.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg that Christendoms religions provide in a practical/physical sense.

What do Jehovahs witnesses do .?

Go in peace ,here is a Watchtower to tide you over.

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Hospital refuses surgery on JW patient - Switzerland

by TheWonderofYou in

switzerland - .

jw files a suit because his surgery was refused!

supreme court decides against jw.. in the present case, the dilemma to which the hospital refers is not at all.

smiddy

If I was a doctor and recommeded a patient have a certain treatment and they refused on religious grounds I would then not be their doctor but advise them to find another doctor who will honour their beliefs.

For doctors to be restricted this way by patients and then when things go wrong the patient sues the doctor ,how pathetic is that .?

Doctors nowadays need to protect themselves from patients that are too eager to sue them for unforseen occurences that happen.

And for Jehovahs Witnesses to do that just shows where their priorities lie. $$$$$$$

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Learning the History of the Australia Royal Commission

by berrygerry in

as there is way too much info for me to parse and research, i may be unaware of more info.. however, i only just stumbled upon this news article of 2011 which referenced steven unthank.. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/former-witness-taking-on-watch-tower/news-story/320c3f2aa9a00f76501152dd6d9144ab.

this is turn led to this article, which imo, appears a gentle attempt to undermine mr. unthank.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/222099/steven-unthank-what-do-we-really-know.

in view of the phenomenal coverup revealed by the arc, and as the above thread is five years old, i thought it appropriate to give mr. unthank tremendous "thanks" for his courage and determination..

smiddy

I thought it appropriate to give Mr. Unthank tremendous "thanks" for his courage and determination.

The jehovahs Witnesses resisted for years (4-5) for getting "working with children checks" and it was mainly the work and determination of Steven that they finally complied.

I made reference to the JW`s not compliying ,to a talkback radio host at the ABC about that time.

I also contacted a now senator about this same subject at the time.

Nothing eventuated from my input.

I personally attended one of Steven Unthanks court/magistrates appearances in the Latrobe Valley which was adjourned to a later date.

That use of a photo of a child was not meant to depict that child as" the" or "a" victim .

It was, in my belief using poetic liscence to illustrate vulnerable children in general.

The courts eventual dismissal of Steven Unthanks case against the Watchtower in my view was a travesty of justice.

I had the pleasure of meeting and talking to Steven at one of his court appearances and he was focused not ony on justice for the rights of JW children but also for the children in the community where JW`s door knocked .

smiddy

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Aust Census: JW's and Divorce Rates

by shepherdless in

this post is actually in answer to a question i got from jwfacts.

i think the issue was also raised on a recent thread.. first, some data from the 2011 and 2016 censuses:.

(a) 1,751,733 (7.5% of population) reported being in a de-facto couple on census night, but .

smiddy

Thanks to sheperdless and JWfacts for those graphs ,if nothing else it shows that families in the the religion of JW`s are no better off than the general population .

Despite what the WT publications state.

Family breakups are just as common and certainly no better than non JW`s.

One of the reasons JW`s get divorced ,because a mate leaves the religion ,is not something that occurs in the general population .

And is indicative of them being a cult.religion.

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Watchtower Doctrines JWs most commonly don't believe

by Diogenesister in

there was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official watchtower doctrine.

i've even read reports from bethelites saying they've heard bethel overseers say they don't believe some watchtower theology.

this made me think - i believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).. i'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:.

smiddy

I think a lot of the current JW`s dont believe Armageddon is coming soon , and that is the reason the numbers of the Annointed keep going up.

They seem to reason that if the big "A" doesnt come in their lifetime they will hedge their bets by claiming to be of the annointed class and partake at the Memmorial Celebration.

Also in the years leading up to 1975 JW`s were almost running around the territory placing Mags and dropping off brochures at as many houses that they could .

Their was a real sense of urgency in their field ministry.

Today? Very little to no interest in FS ,no urgency to preach ,they are just going through the motions of being a publisher .

In the 60`s /70`s we had "Let God Be True" "The Truth That Leads To Everlasting Life " "Your Will Be Done " and Babylon The Great Has Fallen Gods Kingdom Rules"

Which had something meaty and relevant/applicable /pertinent to that era...... Now they are obsolete...old lite.

Whereas their are no such publications available and applicable to todays "World Events" to inspire and encourage or motivate the R&F.

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Imagine if Jw ran schools ?

by Chook in

after learning the alphabet no other education required.

history would be distorted, science rejected.

i'm surprised that gb didn't realise there is big money in education, big tony could be the professor of bullshit..

smiddy

I could be wrong here though I`m not so sure i am .

The Roman Catholic Church has over a Billion members ? with millions of priests and church laity around the world

And the media have highlighted the child sex scandals that have engulfed the R.C.Church over the past decades.

Jehovahs Witnesses have only a fraction of their membership appoximately just over 8 million members that includes witnesses in positions such as Elders and Ministerial servants..and other higher ranks such as CO`s Do`s etc.etc.

I believe that if you made a comparison between the R.C.Religion and JW `s Religion ,amount of sexual abuses against minors compared to membership ,the Roman Catholic Church would pale into insignificance or if not they would at least be on a par. with the Jehovahs Witnesses religion.

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Russell's Pyramidology Originated In Edinburgh Scotland

by cofty in

the edinburgh city observatory sits atop calton hill at the east end of the city centre adjacent to burn's monument, scotland's national monument modelled on the parthenon, and nelson's monument with the time ball that falls at 1pm every day except sundays.. .

the second astronomer royal of edinburgh was charles piazzi smyth (jan. 1819 - feb. 1900).

smyth was a man of many and varied interests including meteorology, producing weather observations that still form an important part of uk climate records to this day.. building on the work of james taylor, smyth became fascinated by the great pyramid of egypt at giza.

smiddy

jaydee ,I must have mis-read your post or got the wrong impression with your thumbs up on vienne `s comment ,who by the way querys the pyramid as being associated with C.T.Russell.?

Also if I`m not mistaken ,I loveTTATT2 also doesnt seem to believe that the pyramid is associated with C.T.Russells gravesite.,how many more ? I dont know

If I have misunderstood I LoveTTATT2 ` s reply to Cofty ,then maybe I should call it a day.

sparrowdown a longtime member on this board is confused and I dont want newbies lurking on this board to be confused about this issue.

I`m just trying to clear this confusion up once and for all .

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Oct 2017 W/T on love.

by WHATSGOINGON in

the october 2017 wt study article (simplified).

let us consider some examples of fake love.

when satan talked to eve in the garden of eden, what he said made it seem that he wanted the best for her.

smiddy

I thought it was a personal relationship that one was to strive for with Jehovah, not a collective one. Ugh,

So true dubstepped , and as others have said it is such stupid reasoning.

hiding the sin is unloving because it harms both the sinner and others. How? Jehovah might stop blessing the congregation with his holy spirit, and the congregation would not have peace.

Their must be a helluva lot of secret sinners in the congregations of JW`s in the western world where amalgamations ,selling off KH`s ,stagnant growth,closing down Bethels,laying off bethelites ,trimming CO`s and DO`s down in size,plus contributions are now on the slide.

Also their is a definite lack of zeal in the attitude of the average publisher nowadays always looking for an easy way of witnessing to people ,rather letting the people come to them as in cart witnessing.

Lets face it D2D witnessing is non effective nowadays and cart witnessing is even less effective.

The writing is on the wall for the JW religion to fade into obscurity as a fringe religious sect. more so than they are now.