Posts by Farkel

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Map where Beth Sarim is...

by TheApostleAK in

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hope this is where it is... http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?bfcat=&pyt=tmap&newfl=use+address+below&addr=4440+braeburn&csz=san+diego%2c+ca+92114&country=us&get%a0map=get+map.

it's about 7ish miles from the coast.

why have a secret compound in a place that would of been one of the first places in america to be invaded by the japs during ww2?.

Farkel

: Why have a secret compound in a place that would of been one of the first places in America to be invaded by the Japs during WW2?

Your map is quite correct, but I think you are confusing Beth Sarim with Beth Shan. Beth Sarim was where Da Judge could write goofy books and get drunk a lot. Beth Shan was where Da Judge had a decent chance of hiding in one of two bomb shelters on that property and surviving any Japanese invasion on our Pacific coast during WWII.

Apparently, Da Judge wasn't quite convinced of the validity of the term he made his poorer dupes believe, to wit, "Trust in Jehovah."

Doncha just LOVE all those "to wits" from Da Judge? Classic stuff! Da Judge chose instead to "trust in bomb shelters." He could afford to do that. "Jehovah" wasn't good enough for him, but bomb shelter were.

Da Judge had the unique talent to create "Jehovah" in his own image, but didn't trust his own personal creation/creator to help him out in wartime. Bomb shelters are much more practical for that. "Jehovah" just was a means for him to sell books and buy properties that had bomb shelters.

Da Judge was very practical and very smart. He was the best of the best in cult-world.

It's quite easy for a former cultist like myself to hate his guts, knowing what I know.

It's also amusing that he died of cancer of the asshole. Was it that the asshole died of cancer in his ashole or was it that the asshole killed the asshole? It's all amusing to ne. He lived like a King off of dumb and trusting followers. He let them all down.

The way he died was most appropriate for a man like him.

Farkel

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Rutherfords burial site...

by TheApostleAK in

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to this day some have claimed that rutherford was buried secretly at beth-sarim or beth-shan anyway, even though the society has stated in print that rutherford's remains were sent to brooklyn for burial.. .

i remember/read somewhere that he was buried at staten island, new york.

can anyone confirm that?

Farkel

Prisca,

: I remember reading in another thread today that Beth Shan was located right next-door to Beth Sarim. Or is that incorrect?

That is incorrect. In fact, if you saw the neighborhood, 4440 Braeburn is a gigantic mansion compared to the neighboring homes on that cul-de-sac and all the surrounding streets in the Kensington neighborhood of San Diego.

I very recently crawled behind Beth Sarim and tried to see Beth Shan over the huge canyon that separates them. (Jan G was right: it IS across the canyon and about 1/2 mile away to the East.)

So much development has happened in San Diego in recent years that If I COULD have seen Beth Shan I was too clueless to recognize it. That is why I need an exact address. I'm certain that it is in Alvarado Estates, but that is now a closed (and guarded) gated community. I recently went there and showed a picture (a colorized 1945 photo) of Beth Shan to the guard and she told me that no such house was in that community. The photo was 56 years old. No wonder she didn't recognize the home. I still think it is in that neighborhood.

I will continue to plod on....I WILL find Beth Shan. Trust me! It's not as easy these days as when JanG and Ed Gruss made that trek, but I will find it and post pictures! I promise!

Farkel

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New and amused

by Commie Chris in

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i have been lurking here for a few weeks and just registered.

i was briefly a jw - df'd 6 years ago.

my story is posted under personal experiences.

Farkel

Prisca,

: What are you amused at?

Terrible grammar.

Oh, WAIT! You weren't asking me, were you?

Nevermind......

Farkel

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Rutherfords burial site...

by TheApostleAK in

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to this day some have claimed that rutherford was buried secretly at beth-sarim or beth-shan anyway, even though the society has stated in print that rutherford's remains were sent to brooklyn for burial.. .

i remember/read somewhere that he was buried at staten island, new york.

can anyone confirm that?

Farkel

: Some had hoped to have enough dollars to purchase Beth Sarim when old Dr Chan died so we could have the rights to dig up that site

Fat chance today, Jan! That mansion is worth at least 3.5 million dollars and I can prove it! Ed Gruss has got me motivated and on a mission about that place. Heck, it's nearly in my own back yard right now! I cruised by there just a week ago and noticed little kiddie trycycles on the patio. Da Judge would have never liked that!
I will someday soon get the nerve to approach the attorney who owns it now and get a grand tour. I can do this. I'll pretend that I'm not a real Farkel or something.

A friend of mine who I introduced to Professor Gruss and who just met him recently and spent three hours with him has my request to get the EXACT address of Beth Shan. I tried to find it based upon the info. in Gruss's book, but failed. Ed's on vacation right now, but patience will yield results. I will have much to say on the topics of Beth Sarim and Beth Shan when I'm finished with my little fact-finding mission.

Farkel

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JW Organization On Autopilot

by AlanF in

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these days it's pretty clear that the jw organization is running on autopilot.

charles taze.

russell, joe booze rutherford, nathan knorr and freddie franz all had a certain amount of vision.

Farkel

FredHall,

: I would be glad to help the brothers smuggle liquor from Canada to USA. There is nothing wrong in God's eyes of doing it.

Are you calling Paul a liar? Romans 13:7

Are you calling Jesus a liar? Mark 12:17

Are you calling the Watchtower Religious Printing Corporation a liar? They've often said that Christians are required to obey the law where it does not conflict with God's laws. Other than the exception of taking a sip of wine at the Memorial, Rutherford disobeyed the very words he compelled upon his own followers.

Copernicus,

: This touched home for me Alan, as I live in Mormon country. Very strange bunch who make the dub’s look sane by comparison.

Really? I was born and raised in the Salt Lake City area. It doesn't get more Mormon than that. And yes, they are a weird bunch alright!

Mishnah,

: There should be a law against typing while intoxicated. Then at least you'd have about an hour a day to type your junk.

I'm always impressed with those who use solid facts and evidence to rebut an argument and who can prove what they say. I'm also impressed with those who eschew the temptation to bring in a red herring, but are big enough to step up to the plate and actually deal with the issues being presented.

That's why I'm not the least bit impressed with you.

Farkel

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What's the big deal?

by MuzicmanCa in

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i am just going to play devil's advocate here for a second since i need help reasoning something out again.

i think i have the answer, but i just need to do this outloud and hear some responses to make sure i am clear on this particular issue.. i remember once, when i first came across a lengthy write-up on the faulty reasoning the wts used to come up with the whole 1914 thing, i was having dinner with an older bro who, at the time, was a very close friend of mine.

i asked him directly just how valid the date was and if what i was reading on the internet had any credibility.

Farkel

MuzicManCa,

What would you like to know about that fradulent date known as "1914?"

Do you have the ability to download a hundred megabytes of evidence?

Farkel

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To FreePeace, Think41self and Safe4Kids

by LadyBug in

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welcome back!!

(((((((((freepeace, think41self and safe4kids.))))))).

so glad you had a great holiday, but i for one have missed your presence on this board.. so get typing .

Farkel

I actually met Freepeace when he was a toddler and maybe even still in diapers. That was 37-39 years ago. His Dad was our formidable Congregation Overseer. I was one of the young grunts who helped build our lovely Kingdom Hall in our little part of the world. I was assigned the task of "hod carrier." I got to sweat like a pig and carry the "mud" for the bricklayers who built that Hall. (They didn't even have a clue about quick-builds back then.) We spent several months before that exercise "gleaning" bricks and lumber and toilets and stuff from buildings being demolished around that town so that we could use those recycled materials (the word "recycled" wasn't even know back then) for our new Hall.

Those were glorious days and I was proud to be part of them. We really believed God was behind all of our sacrifice. And we really believed that we would never grow old. They promised us this. We all grew old.

I've known Freepeace longer than Freepeace has known (or at least can remember) Freepeace!

I love the guy. He's a better person now than he could have ever been in the WT Cult and yet he was a leader in that Cult with much promise to advance to further jerkhood.

Now, if he would just send back those books I loaned him....

Farkel

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JW Organization On Autopilot

by AlanF in

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these days it's pretty clear that the jw organization is running on autopilot.

charles taze.

russell, joe booze rutherford, nathan knorr and freddie franz all had a certain amount of vision.

Farkel

Copernicus,

: in this case, who cares if the old Judge was a confirmed drunk or not? Or if he had a mistress? Hasn’t this been played out? Is it relevant?

That depends upon what you mean by "relevant." Professor Ed Gruss has evidence that the building of the Beth Sarim mansion was sanctioned solely to get the drunken Judge out of Brooklyn before he could do more harm there. That was 1929. The Judge wrote books for another 12 years. In fact he wrote MOST of his books during that period. It was the Judge who stated that dubs came out of "Babylonish Captivity" in 1919 and were fully approved by Jehovah to represent Him after that time. If Jehovah who knows and sees everything, Himself approved the de facto leader of His one true religion who was a drunk and most probably an adulterer, then I DO think that is relevant.

I think dubs should know the caliber of people who formed their history and shaped it to the extent that it stands today. Da Judge being an alcoholic may be old hat to you, but it might be brand new news to recent lurkers. Should any of those lurkers request evidence, they will get it.

Farkel

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WTBTS membership count prediction

by Skimmer in

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some thoughts on statistical projections of the wtbts membership count:.

1) extrapolation (projection beyond known statistics) is hazardous for any measurement that does not derive from a simple model.

an accurate model of the wtbts membership count would have to include demographics for each of the countries, and this would have to combine population age distribution data, educational attainment data, economic data, current wtbts coverage, and (of course!

Farkel

: A very big lure of the WTBTS is the promise of a paradise Earth (Real Soon Now) and the appeal of this is undeniable among the poor is less developed and economically stratified countries. Modeling this component is hard because it subsumes a general economic model.

I'm not so sure you are right about that one. If you look at the explosive growth of the WTS in the depression-era 1930's it is easy to conclude that their appeal was most favorable to poor folks who felt powerless over their situation. The uneducated ones were also most drawn and are still most drawn into that faith. Third world countries are rife with poor folks powerless over their situation and with uneducated folks. While a specific model might be hard to create, a general one would not: determine the ratio of hours spent in preaching with baptisms in poor countries and rich ones. Obviously in countries where the WTS has been entrenched for generations, there would be some percentage (perhaps a majority) of baptisms coming from children of JWs and these could be weighted against baptisms in countries where the society has been free to expand their preaching for only a few decades. Also, the poorest of countries have very limited internet access, so I have the opinion that a reasonable parallel could be drawn between growth in the USA in the 1930's (where there was obviously NO internet) and growth in those poorer countries at present.

I have no doubt that the society has already spent a large amount of time with their own actuarial research in the emerging countries and planned their preaching/expansion activities around it. Maybe we should ask THEM, then?

Farkel

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My apeal of disfellowshiping letter

by D wiltshire in

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the first question is:.

i ask you would paul even think of doing such as thing as the wt has done here?????

i asked them not to keep double-talking me but to just come out and say what the charges are.

Farkel

alamb,

: After they dropped the charges I stood up, shook their hands, and told them I wanted nothing to do with them. I disfellowshipped them from myself and walked away.

I just LOVE IT! You beat them at their own game! Kudus and high-fives to you!

Farkel