jst2laws,
You can mail me at:
I don't know why this address of mine is locked:
but I'll find out and correct it.
Farkel
Posts by Farkel
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102In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??
by jst2laws inwe hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.
would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?
it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.
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Meetings
by OrangeBlossom indo you think the wts will ever reduce the number of meetings per week, maybe drop one night a week?
just curious!
it seems that everyone is so whipped from working all day, i really think that's why there is such a drop in meeting attendance.
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Farkel
: Do you think the WTS will ever reduce the number of meetings per week, maybe drop one night a week?
I didn't wait for them. I reduced my number of meetings to zero per DECADE almost three decades ago. After twenty five years if being out, I decided to catch up on doctrine and policies. It took me about three hours of study to do that, and NO meetings. After that I was as current on Watchtower Life(tm) as those dubs who spent 14,000 hours in meetings, preparing for meetings and getting to and from meetings over those 25 same years. If the average person spends 16 hours a day awake, then those people invested 2.4 YEARS of their life over WT meetings. I spent those same 2.4 years of my life doing worthwhile things, and 3 hours playing catchup to WT dogma. I could be wrong, but I think I used my time a tad more wisely.
Farkel
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Special assembly day
by comment ini attended a local special assembly day yesterday.
didn't seem like too much had changed overall.
however, i've got some questions.. 1) when did the society decide to revert to allowing witnesses to study more than one book with their bible studies?
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: If Jehovah wants us to prepare for our meetings, it must be for our benefit."
"If the Queen had testicles, she' be the...." Well, you know the routine. At least they used the word "if", even though to the R&F that word doesn't mean what it means to normal people.
: "We're sure that none here would want to stay in Grade One of Bible understanding."
Why? The society's been there for 125 years.
: "If you walk the line between good and bad, you'll get spiritual hoof-and-mouth disease and the other brothers will cut you off."
That ranks as one of the lamest analogies I've ever seen. "Spiritual" hoof-and-mouth disease? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I hope you brought your barf bag to that assembly. I would.
Farkel
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In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??
by jst2laws inwe hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.
would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?
it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.
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Farkel
jst2laws,
: I have my own conscientious decision on blood that I am teaching my family. I covered the DPA part in the service meeting and caused a stir. Even the elders were unaware they had to make decisions this time. My decision would shock most, and get me disfellowshipped.
I don't know if you've seen this before, but here is an excellent link to read about blood. It is well-researched, respectful and presents an excellent discussion of blood and how it relates to the Noachian Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant and the Apostolic Decree.
Farkel
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Question to All!
by Cricket ini am confused about this board, could someone please clarify?.
is this board for current active jw's or for former jw's?.
from posts that i have read there is a very negative attitude.. please help!.
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Farkel
: Is this board for current active JW's or for former JW's?
Yes.
Are you the same Cricket that used to post on H20 some years back?
BTW, there's always Jehovah's Witnesses online. However, if you have any brain cells left, that place is sure to kill them, too.
Farkel
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Babylon the great
by perfectpie indoes anyone have an explanation of "babylon the great" as described in the book of revelation different than as explained by jehovah's witnesses.
thanks in advance pie
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Farkel
: Babylon the Grape
Hey! That's COPYRIGHTED material! Contact your lawyers and get out your pocketbook!
With regards to MDS, despite whatever bad things other people might say about him, he's definitely a windbag.
Farkel
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In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??
by jst2laws inwe hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.
would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?
it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.
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: Was the big thing the thing with the pedophilia or is it what you're still working on? Just curious.
You'll know what it is when it hits and so will everyone else. Keep alert and please be patient.
Farkel
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In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??
by jst2laws inwe hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.
would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?
it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.
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Farkel
:I will try to get accustomed to your approach but at first it does not appear to exude moderation.
Moderation was never one of my strong points. Thank you for reminding me.
: You seem to be very well prepared, come back amazingly fast with long and well documented rebuttals and sometimes come across with a Don Rickles type sarcasm.
I'll take that as a compliment. I'm sure you intended it that way.
: Years ago I would have loved to engage in mental battles with you for fun, but I’m older now and kinder.
I'll be 53 in May, but I don't look it. I only look 52 3/4 and I only feel like I'm 58.
: You are more experienced at this and I suppose intimidating to me.
I understand. JWs (don't take this personally) are so used to being in control of a situation: at the door and in the Hall, that it must feel intimidating to engage with someone on a level playing field; to engage with someone who knows how JWs think and respond because we were JWs and we thought and felt the same way. But some of us have gone beyond that and studied other possibilites and most importantly sound and logical reasoning. Logic IS intimidating because it cuts through specious arguments that have "worked" for so long for so many. On the otherhand, logic and sound reasoning are God-given tools and we should use them to discover what we need to discover.
: I will try to comment more often on your posts but I do not have what it takes to comment line by line as you do.
Sure you do. Don't undersell yourself. I never went to college. I was offered several scholarships at great universities. I have an IQ that I consider to be genius. (If an IQ of 98 ain't genius then SCREW the guys that make up those stupid tests!) I pioneered instead, and waited for 1975. By 1970 all my high school friends had college degrees and I had three years of pioneering in, made MS and was giving public talks. I had only five more years to go before I could possess that mansion in Beverly Hills (after getting rid of the corpses of that family who lived there) and I would be home free! Well, it is now 26 years later and I'm still an uneducated moron.
: So please don’t take offense. I’ll do my best.
Why would I take offense? And DON'T SELL YOURSELF SHORT! We're all on this planet to learn and help each other, are we not? If we're not, they why in the heck are we here?
Farkel
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In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??
by jst2laws inwe hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.
would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?
it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.
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Hi larc,
: I was curious about the subject that you and your elder friend were working on with high placed WT people, or is this confidental at this time?
You should know I cannot reveal that. But given the plethora of problems faced these days by the WTS, I'm sure your fertile imagination can some up with something.
:Fortunately, Farkel, I'm going to Fricker's on Friday and have fried fish.
Fudge! For I forswore fine food for frickin' frolickin' fool's fanatical fantasies for filthy fame!
Farkel
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In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??
by jst2laws inwe hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.
would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?
it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.
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Farkel
: I’m sorry, but I admit I have not responded to your posts. I will give you one example why.
: In your last post you said “I'm not trying to compare the WTS with Adolf Hitler point-by-point, but I am pointing out that some good deeds done by any organization must be weighed against the bad deeds also done.”
With all due respect, I find your response absolutely disingenous. I didn't bother to rebut all you said, because I don't want to embarrass you further. But I must point out that in the very SAME post where I asked you why IN THE PAST posts of mine you had not responded, you took the material out of that CURRENT post to give your reason. Let's assume I had never use any analogy of the WTS with Adolf Hitler and simply asked you the same question. Given that, what is your response now? What post BEFORE I mentioned Adolph Hitler can you point to that was so upsetting for you (and so untrue) that you felt you had a reason not to respond to my assertions and questions? Well?
Although I will vigorous defend my rebuttal that your defense of the WTS has a very real counterpart with the (qualified) defense of Adolph Hitler and the good that he also did, but I won't make that an issue now. You stated that the "Adolph Hitler" thing was only ONE of the reasons why you wouldn't bother to respond to me, so now I'm removing that issue from the equation. What say you now?
You remind me so much of me so many years ago, and I feel for you more than you can know. Your posts sound more like you are trying to convince YOURSELF that what you are clinging to is actually true more than you are trying to convince others of its veracity. All of your pleas on this board look to me more like inward cries for help to yourself than they look like cries for help from others.
It really is perfectly fine with me if you stay inside and try to fight the good fight that you are trying to do, and I wish you Godspeed and the best of success in doing so. I don't get any medals, toasters, blenders, coupons, awards or cash if you stay or leave. And I don't get eternal life if you stay or leave. My motives have no eternal reward as their end. In otherwords, I have nothing to lose or gain if you stay or leave. (Unless you believe those pesky deeemins are messin' with my head!) My only motive and my only reward is to tell people like you who are willing to listen what I know about the WTS and what I can prove about the WTS. After that, you can do whatever you want with that information.
In either case, you have my best wishes and whatever blessing as a mere human I can bestow upon you.
Finally, I just love your nick. That bespeaks more of what Christianity should be than all the words you or I could ever muster: love God and love your neighbor. Simple. Elegant. Perfect.
BTW, several weeks ago I spent a wonderful evening with an active JW elder who has spent many years in the WTS. He knows that I'm a notorious "demonized apostate from hell" and all of that. He hosted dinner and we talked for hours about a mutual issue he and I and several other JWs and former JWs are working on. Yet there was never any rancor. He never tried to get me to "go back to Jehovah" and I never tried to get him to "go to Satan" or any other such rubbish. We had a common goal and we had different positions in accomplishing that goal. We both are dealing with highly-placed WT people who are interested in the same goal. Does that surprise you? Does it surprise you that ex-JWs are almost never interested in "promoting sects" and that many of us are only interested in helping JWs get information that is not otherwise available to them?
We did discuss some JW issues and this loyal JW elder said to me as I left, "I think think that what God wants the most from us is to do our best to help our fellow man to the best of our abilities." Does that sound like something you read in the Watchtower magazine? NO! This man was talking like a Christian! He was using the same kinds of words that Jesus used and by doing so, he was committing JW heresey: he spent his evening with a demonized apostate working out ways to help the leaders who branded me that and would brand him as a heretic for trying to right their wrongs.
All in all, we had a great time. I'm certain we will remain friends for as long as we live.
I suggest that you don't just brush me off, but that you think long and hard about what I've written. If you don't like my style of presenting information, fine. Look at the substance of it then. And then we can diaglog. Or we can't. Remember, I don't get free toasters for "converts!" :)
Farkel