Posts by FireNBandits

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IYO, what r the most problematic scripture(s) for dubs?...or lack there of

by *jeremiah* in

hey everyone,...in your opinion, (1) what scripture or passages in the bible completely go against jdub doctrine?

scriptures that the dubs really can't answer or really can't fit into their equation,...thus, they go unnoticed or avoided.

(2) or,...what scriptural proof should be in the bible to back their doctrinal claims.

FireNBandits

"Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10-11 ASV

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." John 1:1 NWT

"Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13

No explanation needed. -Martin

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

FireNBandits

AnEwLeif! Wow! I'm impressed! A brand new Pharisee has blossomed! I think if you try even harder you can find even more ways to shut the door to the Kingdom on many more people! What's your secret? Do you have Jesus in your hip pocket? Are you Omniscient? You must be. I think that's great. When I get my Pharisee Badge from Battle Creek Michigan I hope I can be even HALF as righteous and holy as you are. Judge Rutherford would be proud of you. Hell, I'M proud of you and I'm just an advanced piece of software being tested by the DOD.

Keep us posted as you discover new ways to limit and enclose the Grace of God!

Allah Akbar!
Martin

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So have you heard this one?

by pollyana in

jw
friends

the jw's knocked on my friends' door while he was cleaning his bird cage.

the jw's said "we'd like to give you something" and handed him a copy of the latest wt.

he said, "great, that's just what i need, thanks" and placed it in the bottom of the birdcage then slammed the door in the jw's faces.

FireNBandits

Hi Pollyanna! It's good to see another newbie!

I haven't heard that story before, but I hope it's true, I really do. Too bad I don't have a bird anymore. I can tell you another story that I'm fairly sure is true. I think it's in the book Thirty Years A Watchtower Slave, but I'm unsure. Someone asked a Dub why he read the Tower and he answered "Because I get light from it." The inquirer responded "The only way you can get light from a Watchtower magazine is to set it on fire."

Again, welcome Pollyanna. -Martin

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Doctors Should Not Be Forced To Artificially Inseminate Lesbians

by Sam Beli in

ann arbor, mi the thomas more law center, a national public interest law firm based .

in ann arbor, michigan, has submitted a friend of the court brief supporting the right of .

physicians to refuse to perform medical procedures that violate their sincerely held religious .

FireNBandits

"...the right of
physicians to refuse to perform medical procedures that violate their sincerely held religious
convictions."

TRANSLATION: The right of physicians to allow their personal bigotries and animosities to dictate the dissemination of medical care in an otherwise free and open society. This has "fundy arse-wipe Christian" smeared all over it. -Martin

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KNOCKING; A Movie Sure To Please Us All!

by FireNBandits in

they are moral conservatives who stay out of politics, but they won a record number of court cases expanding freedom for everyone.

they refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds, but they embrace the science behind bloodless surgery.

in nazi germany, they could fight for hitler or go to the concentration camps.

FireNBandits

They are moral conservatives who stay out of politics, but they won a record number of court cases expanding freedom for everyone. They refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds, but they embrace the science behind bloodless surgery. In Nazi Germany, they could fight for Hitler or go to the concentration camps. They chose the camps. Following two families who stand firm for their controversial and misunderstood Christian faith, 'Knocking' reveals how Jehovah's Witnesses have helped shape history beyond the doorstep.

National PBS Premiere on Tuesday, May 22, 2007.Check local listingsWell, in a few years after this piece of shiite film gets released, the membership at this board will explode with newly destroyed lives. Too bad the producers of this film have their head up their collective behinds. There's no way I'm going to watch this damnable patchwork quilt of lies. I wouldn't be able to sit still and ot yell at the screen. I hope some family members of the fools who put this together become Dubs. I have no doubt that, as rich as the WTS has become, they paid for this films positive spin with big donations to PBS. -Martin

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What was Pastor Russell really like?

by Doug Mason in

what was charles taze russell really like?

he is often held in contrast to his brusque, domineering, and rude successor, j f rutherford.

was ctr, the philanthropist who poured his fortune into the movement he founded, the pure democrat, a contrast to the dictatorial jfr?.

FireNBandits

What was CT Russell like? What are YOU like? I guarantee you that if I ask that question of your mother I will get a somewhat different answer than from your dad. The same with your sisters, and your brothers. Ditto for uncles, aunts cousins. Very different answer from your various coworkers depending on how well they knew you, how much they interacted with you, and whether or not you "clicked" with them. Each of your teachers would have different takes as well, as would your childhood neighbors, playmates, and current neighbors and friends. Your fellow church members, if you're a chuch-goer would describe you differently as well. You have your own idea about yourself.

Your enemies, and face it you have enemies, will have the most interesting view of you at all. They will say things about you that are true, but that you do not wish to face. The same is true of them. You have negative information about them which they do no wish to face.

My point being that "what pastor Russell was like" depends on whose account you read. His ex-wife describes him one way, his close friends another, his subordinates another, his admirers another, his enemies another. If you're an intelligent discerning individual you won't snap your mind shut around any single one of these impressions of Russell. The man was just like you. Multi-faceted, multi-leveled, multi-layered. He had his good qualities and bad qualities and in-between qualities. He had strengths and weaknesses. Those who seek to demonize him are as foolish as those who seek to beatify him. He was a human male. His enemies will overstate his flaws and sins, and downplay his good side. His admirers will downplay his flaws and sins and overstate his good side. Trinitarians will denounce him as a "heretic" while Arians will proclaim him a hero.

Learn to smell horse feathers and you'll do fine.If I were to open the "closets" of his enemies I suspect I would find just as much negative clutter as I can find with Russell or anyone else. I suspect I could find much good in his enemies as well. The same with his friends, family, admirers, co-workers, whatever. Rather than seek a particular fecet to clamp your mind shut around, read as much about him as you can, and then fit the jigsaw puzzle together. I know this is not the answer you're seeking, but it's the only intelligent answer. Simplistic one-dimensional presentations of anyone is simply propaganda, written with an ideological with an agenda. I've read all the available literature about Russell, and most of his own writings, and that's why I recommend you take the intelligent path to knowing and understanding the man as much as possible nearly a century after his death. You will find aspects to admire, facets to take a dim view of, and much in-between. The same as you and I would discover about each other.

Charles Taze Russell was simply a man. Treat him as one and your view of him will be well-rounded, realistic, and quite accurate. -Martin

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Silly Things You Can Do For Which Jehovah Will Kill You...

by gaiagirl in

i was thinking about all the various people who the bible says have been killed by jehovah or his angels for various acts of disobedience.

here are a few of the ones i thought of....feel free to add your own eating a piece of fruit (slow death, 930 years) picking up some sticks on the sabbath preventing the ark of the covenant from falling when the guy carrying it stumbles living in a city where your family has lived for generations, in a region where jehovah has "given" the land to his "chosen" people dancing for your victorious warrior father, not knowing he has vowed to offer the first one out of the house as a burnt offering.

disagreeing with moses

FireNBandits

"Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone." 1 Kings 14:10

So, guys, next time you duck into an alley to relieve yourself, don't do it against a wall. Jehovah just might GET you!

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Newbies & Lurkers: If You Haven't Heard This Audio, Don't Miss It!!

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

many of you are new here, and were so happy to have you.

if you have not heard this audio, i invite you for a treat.

FireNBandits

Just jiving.

Having fun. Not much else to do.

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Newbies & Lurkers: If You Haven't Heard This Audio, Don't Miss It!!

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

many of you are new here, and were so happy to have you.

if you have not heard this audio, i invite you for a treat.

FireNBandits

Oh for Christ's sake! "I went from believing in Annihilation Jehovah to Hellfire and Damnation Jehovah! It's so different!" "I went from believing in Despot B to Despot A! Now my life sucks in a completely different way!" "I gave up Bible Brain-Cage A for Bible Brain-Cage B! Now I feel so FREE!"

Oh my Jesus used to be
an archangel you see!
But now my Jesus is
a Trinitarian whiz!

Before, Jesus died on a pole
and I didn't have a soul!
Now Jesus died on a cross
and my soul is now the boss!

I used to not eat blood
now I eat all kinds of crud!
I wouldn't take a transfusion
now I don't have that confusion!

Oh I'm not a Watchtower drone!
Instead I'm a Fundy Clone!
I was once a silly sheep
now I'm...still a silly sheep.

aw nuts.

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The Book "shepherding the flock"

by Hangin_on in

is there a digital copy of this book posted on the net?.

i know these are for elders only... how does the wts keep track of them?.

FireNBandits

Hi Jeff! can I get a PM too showing where I can read "Shepherding the Flock"? If so, thanks.