Posts by lrkr

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DC Notes

by lrkr in

i went to sat afternoon- about all i could stand.

here are brief notes:.

talk- dont follow the crowd main points- dont date, dont watch certain movies.

lrkr

I listened and all I heard was "isolate yourselves from everyone else."

It was like Following the Christ- means isolation from the rest of the world. The comments on the news I'm sure are meant to innoculate the Witnesses when news of the pedophile settlements start getting out.

When you understand the underlying intent everything becomes clear. I'm sure you all have already had this "ah-ha" moment. I'm so new to this that I really can't believe what I'm hearing. I thought I knew what they were talking about all of these years. But its like taking off a blindfold. All of a sudden- I see the real point behind the talks. Really scary.

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DC Notes

by lrkr in

i went to sat afternoon- about all i could stand.

here are brief notes:.

talk- dont follow the crowd main points- dont date, dont watch certain movies.

lrkr

I went to Sat afternoon- about all I could stand. Here are brief notes:

Talk- Dont follow the crowd Main points- dont date, dont watch certain movies

Talk- Dont follow your heart- main point- here's how not to dress

Talk- Dont follow idols- Points- Politics, materialism and romantic love are bad

Talk- Dont follow false teachings- Apostates are among us- don't read, dont watch tv or go on the internet

Talk- Dont follow false stories- the news is wrong (probably to immunize against news about the molestation settlement)

Talk Dont follow Satan- Dont criticize.

Talk- Taught by Jehovah- Dont go to college- people are sad there, not all people that go to college are successful, meetings are better

Talk- Inactive people- Love bomb them, if you come back you wont feel so guilty.

Talk- Family- wives- dont work, dont hang out with your friends, better to sit around with pioneers who say (in one demo)- silly boy, you don't need to go to college the best work is pioneering., dont hang out with other kids.

Talk- follow the Christ- the most important thing Jesus did was be non-ambitious, live in poverty and keep his eye simple.

It was really amazing how different the talks sound after a little bit of de-programming. I consider going in limited quantities a part of my deprogramming.

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What do we believe Mommy?

by lrkr in

my wife just took a class on hinduism and buhddism (sp??

) and she is telling our son about it.

she tells him about how in tibet they believe that the dalai lama has been born 114 times and that the current dalai lama could identify the personal possessions of the previous one when he was 4 years old- thus "proving" that he was the reborn lama.. my son, bewildered, says- "but do we believe that?".

lrkr

My wife just took a class on Hinduism and Buhddism (sp??) and she is telling our son about it. She tells him about how in Tibet they believe that the Dalai Lama has been born 114 times and that the current Dalai Lama could identify the personal possessions of the previous one when he was 4 years old- thus "proving" that he was the reborn Lama.

My son, bewildered, says- "But do we believe that?"

Mom says- "Well, I don't know if I do or not. Sometimes people spend their whole lives trying to figure out what they believe."

I like it. What do you think? She is teaching him to have an open mind and think for himself.

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Do you like where you live?

by R.F. in

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friends

i live in the southern united states.

i'm not too fond of the state i'm in but i'm within close driving distance of some very cool places.

the people in the south are awesome, very hospitable.

lrkr

You know what they say-

Live in New York at least once in your life- but leave before you get too hard

Live in southern California at least once in your life- but leave before you get too soft

I vote for Hawaii.

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What is the NEW BUZZ in the Org?

by Save My Soul in

there is a new wt arrangement, the 1935 change, the 30 minute public talk among other things.

some have even said they would stop talking doom and gloom, can someone please confirm this?.

what is the perception of these things among those active in the org?

lrkr

"Active apostates"

I agree there is more buzz about people actively posting and visiting these websites while still being in the org. Here are my examples:

Talk on apostasy Sat PM at the DC. Unusual emphasis on "they are among you" (said with a sneering hiss where I attended)
Friday talk on follow the FDS no matter where. We might DF your close friend but you shouldnt listen to them no matter what.
Separate WT for insiders
New KM on "dont have separate bible discussions" - an argument that is only pulled out when on the rampage against free thought (apostasy)
Other talks at DC emphasized intellectual separation (dont belive the news, dont believe internet, etc.)

I think someone has got wind of all of the posters on this and other board that are still in.

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Theodore Jaracz was the keynote speaker at my convention...

by under_believer in

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friends

we just had our convention at the memorial colosseum in portland, or.

good old teddyj was our keynote speaker.

i can tell you right now that the ol' boy's still alive and kicking.

lrkr

Ah yes, the neverending prayer directed at everyone but God. We used to fall asleep during the rambling prayers in the big house. Then they made a rule that they had to be 3 minutes or less (3 minutes is a long time!!)

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Santa Clause, Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy...

by changeling in

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i recall witnesses saying how evil wordly parents were by "lying" to their children about these characters.

how witness children were fortunate that their parents always told them the truth.. so, i wonder, have you ever met an adult who was messed up because of having found out that santa clause and friends were not real?

are therapist's couches everywhere filled with these poor souls?

lrkr

Personally, I feel a little guilt for having stolen those fantasies from my child. Its like a little bit of innocence that I forcibly took away.

So I took him to see Harry Potter...

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Is the Watch Tower name going away?

by garybuss in

is the watch tower name going away?

i'm seeing more use of the "jehovah's witnesses" name where the watch tower name once was such as the sponsors of the summer conventions.

is this new, or am i just noticing it?

lrkr

The change is definate. If you called Bethel a few years ago they would answere the phone "Watchtower, good morning". Now they answer "Jehovah's Witnesses."

2 reasons-

1- the lawyer takeover and creation of separate corporations that OTWO mentioned and

2- the GB was getting all twisted about everybody at Bethel being too corporate. Bethelites saying that they represented the Watchtower Corporation was just one pet pieve.

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So who is this "Jaracz" person?

by B_Deserter in

i saw his name pop up a few places around here.

whats the deal?

lrkr

Please- lets have a little reality here.

Jaracz is an 80 year old man and the last of an old guard that included Franz, Henschel, Schroeder, etc. He has particularaly conservative opinions on a number of subjects and the "senority" and "sanity" to make sure that his opinions are heard and accepted.

No evil here. Just a very conservative way of thinking and a lot of people looking for a leader.

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How do you view crosses now?

by reneeisorym in

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friends

if you are a christian, how to you feel about crosses now?.

if you are an athiest, would you wear one?.

lrkr

Seems unsafe to wear a chain around your neck

Or maybe I'm paranoid.